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WestCoas08791
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12/30/2015 1:45:24 PM
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Self-cannibalization
Like Steve Jobs said: "If you don't cannibalize yourself, someone else will." A tough lesson to implement for any company in any industry. It's overwhelmingly difficult to undermine your own successful business. -- Mitch Wagner

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batye
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1/14/2016 3:43:46 AM
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@WestCoas08791 I would say this days it could be only right way to do it...

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mpouraryan
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1/27/2016 4:52:15 AM
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I would humbly suggest, though, that it has to be done in a calculated strategic way for maximum benefit.  Since Apple was mentioned, Jobs in my view understood the markets he wanted to crack and set out to do it--and in the end changed the World.    Not sure if this is possible in Russia in its' present predicament.

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mpouraryan
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1/27/2016 4:50:58 AM
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This is especially more challenging in Russia especially as it is dealing with a severe recession as a result of the sanctions and Oil Prices.   How agile and adaptive they are will be quite interesting to watch and be witness to.

 

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Mitch Wagner
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1/27/2016 1:14:10 PM
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Absolutely yes. It's difficult to be agile and innovative during an economic downturn. 

And yet that's when it's most important. It's during the downturn that the winners of the next upturn prepare their game. 

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mpouraryan
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1/27/2016 1:20:35 PM
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The challenge is to make sure the "right bet" is made.    The winners are out there--and through our deliberations here, we can help with the on-going dialogue by assessing what works and what are the potentials. 

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Mitch Wagner
Mitch Wagner
1/27/2016 1:29:26 PM
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Two areas where innnovation is fruitful: Finding something that's a good idea, badly executed, like Apple did with smartphones and MP3 players. And doing something that everybody knows is stupid, but turns out everybody is wrong. 

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
1/27/2016 1:31:59 PM
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...and Apple itself with Newton as well!!!  Although it appears that it has its' work cut out as it has to go beyond ipHone despite having had a record quarter overall.    Going against the conventional is just as fruitful--and I can truly attest to that with my quest in my current startup, the Daily Outsider. :))) 

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Mitch Wagner
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1/27/2016 1:33:08 PM
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Exactly so! The Newton proved tablets were a failure, but Apple came out with the iPad anyway. 

Though iPad sales have slowed recently, the devices has a large, loyal fan base. 

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mpouraryan
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1/27/2016 1:34:57 PM
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...and it is soooooooooooo powerful and beautifully designed.    To me, it is like those Sun Devotees (and I was one of them).   

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batye
batye
2/3/2016 2:53:02 PM
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@mpouraryan  yes it well designed - could not agree more...

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mpouraryan
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2/3/2016 2:55:45 PM
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Thanks for your insights @batye:   What we have to guard against, though, is the "hype"--and customer fatigue.    There are signs of it happening already--and since you noted about "growing"--that growth though has to be strategically managed--To me, so far, Alphabet seems to be trying even though they lost 3.6 Billion betting on "other stuff" (cars; fiber; etc.) as we work to as @Mitch noted the march to transform to a "Telco Network". 

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batye
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2/3/2016 5:27:38 PM
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@mpouraryan thanks, but how I see it, this days hype and PR. is like free for all... anything could be said or done as long as hype created visability for the Co. and/or product...

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mhhf1ve
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1/27/2016 6:48:26 PM
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> Though iPad sales have slowed recently, the devices have a large, loyal fan base. 

Only Apple really knows how many Apple Watches it's sold, but it's pretty clear that smartwatches aren't going to be the next iPod -- because I haven't seen too many kids wearing watches these days (smart or otherwise).

I'm thinking Apple might surpise everyone with smart wireless headphones or something... Take out the 3.5mm headphone jack from the iPhone and force everyone to start using wireless earbuds.... and then start getting interesting smart earbuds and hearing aids going.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hellobragi/the-dash-wireless-smart-in-ear-headphones/description

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Mitch Wagner
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1/28/2016 11:10:11 AM
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Re: Self-cannibalization
Regarding smart earbuds: Audio is an underrated channel for a kind of augmented reality. Send alerts and narrate surroundings using voice and sound. It's already common to see people walking around wearing Bluetooth earpieces. 

There are also reports Apple is getting into virtual reality, and of course smart cars. 

All of which will require transformation to telco networks!

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mpouraryan
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2/3/2016 2:51:55 PM
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Apple has to find a way to grow--no question and V/R can be it--there is a question of the "CHASM" though that is critical to be aware of. Can't help but wonder--how much is enough?     

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batye
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2/3/2016 2:52:12 PM
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@Mitch Wagner  I think Apple creating hype with ideas to improve sales of current products...

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mhhf1ve
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2/3/2016 6:50:13 PM
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> "Audio is an underrated channel for a kind of augmented reality."

I fully agree. AR headphones could be a huge market. And they won't make anyone dizzy like AR/VR goggles can.

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batye
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2/3/2016 2:51:04 PM
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@mhhf1ve interesting point. thanks for the link, but Apple not giving up yet

iwatch 2 soon gonna be here, plus iphone 5se  :) but we will see :) 

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mhhf1ve
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2/3/2016 6:47:51 PM
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> Apple's not giving up yet...

I don't think Apple will "give up" on the Apple Watch.. but it will take some time before smartwatches are as useful as iPods/iPhones, IMHO. The iWatch2 doesn't strike me as the tipping point for smartwatches, either. 

I honestly think that smart wireless headphones will be the next big thing before smartwatches.... There's a generation of people who grew up listening to music that was too loud, and they're losing their hearing... so it'll be an "insanely great" product to make wireless headphones/hearing aids/augmented reality sound/etc that are fashionable and useful at the same time. 

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batye
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2/3/2016 10:01:21 PM
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@mhhf1ve  I think you are right... on the other hand my brother is hopping for iwatch 2/3 with longer battery life... but time will tell :) 

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batye
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1/4/2017 1:26:26 AM
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@mhhf1ve with Apple watch now I see prices of smart watches keep droping as only big players stay on market.... most of the smaller players droping smart watch from they portfolio... few days ago I see Cogitio pop - semi smart watch under $20, cookoowatch under $30, fitbit smart bracelet under $25 with prices falling Apple would have not an easy time keep selling it Apple watch 2... - how I see it...

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mhhf1ve
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1/4/2017 4:26:42 AM
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Beyond smart watches, there are some smart rings that can do most of what a cheap smart watch can do. I think smart rings might have a more robust market considering that rings might be more commonly worn as accessories that don't necessarily need to do anything.

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Ariella
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1/4/2017 8:37:49 AM
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@mhhf1ve I looked up smart rings and found this article on them http://www.wareable.com/smart-jewellery/best-smart-rings-1340 It seems that the chocies now boild down to a version that looks like a gadget you're just wearing as a ring and one that can pass as something you're wearing for looks but that has very little actual functionality. The latter type was showcased on an episode of "Gadget Man." All it did was notify the wearer if she has a call on her phone, though it would not relay a text or allow a response to come through the ring.  There are some designs that do offer more functionality like payments and can pass for modern versions of wedding bands like http://nfcring.com/

 

I'm thinking, though, that perhaps some people don't want their smart wearables to pass as ordinary rings and would want people to notice that they have gadgets with abilities. Hiding that reduces the conspicuous consumption effect to some extent.

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mhhf1ve
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1/4/2017 2:37:45 PM
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Smart rings are getting better. There's a new(ish) one called Motiv that claims to have a bunch of fitness tracking features -- and it looks like a big ring, not like a gadget trying to be a ring.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/03/motiv-ring/

Wearing a smart watch that turns into an ugly bracelet when its battery dies seems worse than a ring that could do some neat things when it works and look inconspicuous when its not working... plus you dont need to ever stare at it like you're impatient.  

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Ariella
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1/4/2017 3:42:39 PM
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@mhhf1ve but I think some people like to signal their impatience, or maybe find it useful to give that hint that they are very busy and you are wasting their valuable time in certain contexts. In other contexts, you'd want to pretend that you really are in the moment and not thinking about the text you're waiting on.

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mhhf1ve
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1/4/2017 4:01:27 PM
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> "I think some people like to signal their impatience..."

Ugh! I hope people come up with nicer ways to signal impatience. And I think the "looking at your watch" action is often done without thinking about the other people nearby -- just like people staring at smartphones over a dinner table isn't supposed to be a polite signal to others that the conversation has run its course.... 

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Ariella
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1/4/2017 4:04:16 PM
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@mhhf1ve Don't worry: it's not something I do. I've stopped wearing a watch, and I leave my phone in my pocketbook. 

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mhhf1ve
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1/4/2017 4:19:08 PM
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I haven't worn a watch in years, either. (And I'm only slightly embarrassed to admit that my last regularly worn watch was a Casio calculator watch...)

Having worn a calculator watch, I think I've gotten over the "novelty" of gadget watches. If I wear a watch again, it'll have to do something pretty useful for me -- more than just telling me that I have a text message or that I need to take a few more steps. I'm not sure what the "killer app" for a smart watch is, but I haven't seen it yet (for me, at least).

A smart ring might have a lower barrier for me to wear now that I've gotten used to wearing a ring everyday. I think it'll be harder for me to start wearing a watch again than to start wearing another ring? I think I could put up with a 2nd ring that counted my steps or beeped when I had a text message.... 

And if the display tech exists.. I think it'd be really cool to have text show up on a ring like in the Lord of the Rings... scrolling text messages on a ring might be kinda neat?

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Ariella
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1/4/2017 4:31:58 PM
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@mhhf1ve so long as you're fine with tiny print. I wear glasses for my near-sightedness, but lately I've been taking them off to read text that's closer to my eyes than a computer screen.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
1/4/2017 4:39:40 PM
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Heh. Text on a ring would be almost by definition "at arm's length" though! So no reading glasses needed? 

And I don't think a ring display will be meant for anything too complicated... maybe there will be some system of just a few messages like "Got it!" or "Thanks" that are allowed..? 

I don't think anyone will really want to read complex Elvish messages on their finger.... 

Or maybe a femto-projector on the ring that can use your palm as a display surface? 

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Ariella
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1/4/2017 5:04:32 PM
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@MHHF1VE The projection idea is cool, and it could actually be practical for sharing certain things in a business meeting without having to carry anything bulky along. But looking at a ring for answers makes me think of the practice of scrying. It wasn't done only with crystal balls but also with mirrors, windows, and I'd guess rings. 

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mhhf1ve
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1/4/2017 5:36:03 PM
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Augmented reality is going to look a lot like scrying, I guess... people "seeing" information virtually in space when there's nothing there in "reality" -- that's a kind of magic.

What's the saying? Any sufficiently advanced technology will appear to be magic?

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Ariella
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1/4/2017 5:39:10 PM
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@mhhf1ve that's the third of Clarke's three laws. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws:

British science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke formulated three adages that are known as Clarke's three laws, of which the third law is the best known and most widely cited:

1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.


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mhhf1ve
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1/4/2017 5:57:33 PM
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@Ariella -- thanks for digging up the reference! I had forgotten where it was from... (I think I may have gotten Clarke confused with Asimov)

And besides AR and smart watches/rings, there will also be wireless earbuds so we can walk around talking to ourselves/magic AI voices in our heads.... 

 

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Ariella
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1/4/2017 6:05:09 PM
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@mhhf1ve yes, the tech can normalize the signs usually associated with insanity.

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mhhf1ve
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1/4/2017 6:12:13 PM
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@ariella -- or maybe insanity is normal, and technology just helps us to see that... :P

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Ariella
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1/4/2017 6:14:36 PM
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@mhhf1ve I can see that becoming a discussion in a university class. In fact, it's possible that some student will get it approved as the topic for a master's thesis.

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mhhf1ve
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1/4/2017 6:35:44 PM
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@ariella - ha! well, technology has been a crutch for a number of human frailties. We wear eyeglasses to compensate for our nearsightedness/etc. We'll wear AR goggles to compensate for our insanity? Living in a virtual world might be preferrable to mind-altering drugs... :P

We can visit reality when it's convenient.

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Ariella
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1/4/2017 7:57:09 PM
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<We can visit reality when it's convenient.>

@mhhf1ve I really like that. I think you should have it printed on T-shirts and posters.

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mhhf1ve
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1/4/2017 8:34:30 PM
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Maybe it can be a slogan for a VR goggle company.. :P

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Ariella
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1/5/2017 11:48:27 AM
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@mhhf1ve perhaps, it may pay for you to copyright it.

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mhhf1ve
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1/5/2017 4:17:23 PM
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I don't think you can copyright a slogan? I could register for a trademark... but then, to profit from it... I'd either have to create a company around it -- or hire lawyers to go after companies that might use it. 

And it'd probably be better to come up with more widely interpretable trademarks.. 

eg. "3-peat" or "three-peat"

http://www.espn.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/10965180/pat-riley-miami-heat-riley-files-3-peat-trademark-jewelry-rings-sports-memorabilia

 

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Ariella
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1/5/2017 4:50:24 PM
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@mhhf1ve Yes, you would have to link it directly to the product it is intended to promote. According to http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-slogan-be-trademark.html there are two types of slogans:
  • Slogans that are protectable as trademarks such as "Where's the Beef" or "Don't Leave Home Without It," that are tied to an advertising campaign or used to sell a product or service, and
  • Slogans or short phrases that placed on merchandise such as bumper stickers that are intended to amuse or provoke people such as "I'm with Stupid" or "My Other Car is an Accordion." These are usually not protectable under trademark law because they are considered ornamental or informational – that is, there sole purpose is to amuse, entertain, provoke or inform—not to sell a product. To acquire federal registration the trademark applicant must create a consumer association with a product or service (for example, Honk if You Sell Car Horns for an applicant that sells car horns). 

To qualify as protectible marks, slogans must be either:
  • inherently distinctive and creative, or
  • have developed enough secondary meaning to immediately call a product or service to mind.


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batye
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1/8/2017 5:48:13 PM
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@Ariella interesting point :), from my school years in marketing...  I recall - teacher use to say it must be catchy like a song to stay in your head... :)  

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batye
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1/14/2017 8:59:44 PM
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@mhhf1ve interesting point - thanks for the link - make think... not everything as it seems...

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batye
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1/4/2017 1:13:58 PM
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@mhhf1ve in Canada I have not seeing smart rings yet... only hear about them and read few things online... but technology does changing our life.... in interesting way...

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batye
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2/3/2016 2:44:43 PM
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@Mitch Wagner  I'm only gonna say Apple copyed HP/Compaq Ipaq H5550 model with optional cellphone add on jacket and created Ipod/Iphone/Ipad - how I see it as making same device bigger or smaller/slimmer - better with stable OS... 

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mhhf1ve
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1/27/2016 1:23:10 PM
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Re: Self-cannibalization
The Buffet quote that might apply here is: "Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful."

During a downturn, it's difficult for many to try to do innovative new things, but that is when no one else is.... 

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inkstainedwretch
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12/30/2015 2:52:33 PM
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Temporary distinction
There's OTT technology and there's OTT services. OTT technology is simply broadband IP, and everyone is going that way anyway; it borders on nonsense to talk about cannibalization in that context. The issue is OTT services, or the mix of services and the pricing -- in short, business models. Responding to a competitive business model isn't technically cannibalization either. It's just business. -- Brian Santo

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Ariella
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1/5/2016 1:00:11 PM
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< Responding to a competitive business model isn't technically cannibalization either. It's just business> That's understandable @inkstainedwretch when you have to rethink your strategy to remain competitive. I should think it only really becomes "cannibalization" when you slash prices to an unsustainable point, so you are forced to cut things that shouldn't be cut. Do you have a different definition of cannibalization?

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inkstainedwretch
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1/5/2016 1:13:02 PM
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I define "cannibalization" as a company creating a new product or service that eats into sales of its existing product(s) or service(s). Kodak was a pioneer in digital photography; had it continued to sell digital photographic products and services, that would have eaten into sales of its film-based products. That would have been cannibalization. Cutting the prices of its film-based products to compete with digital photography? Not cannibalization. I acknowledge that other people might define it all otherwise.   -- Brian Santo

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Ariella
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1/5/2016 1:59:01 PM
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Thanks for clarifying @inkstainedwretch. I see that what you refer to as cannibalization then might be viewed as a shift in strategy to respond to a shift in the market. Had a comany insisted on sticking with film when the world was moving on to digital out of fear of competing with its own products, it would have been left in the dust. The only exception I can think of is someting that is very niche and wants to stay very niche, say a type of film that professional photographers would stick with. But if you're aiming for the mass market, you would have to cannibalize at times, just as the buggy whip manufacturers had to shift to auto parts to stay in business.

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batye
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1/14/2016 3:44:43 AM
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@Ariella Same on my end, interesting to know... 

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mpouraryan
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1/27/2016 4:53:26 AM
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What is clear is that as long as it s strategic--Sun Microsystems, back in the day, was quite successful before it lost its' way before Oracle took it out of its' misery.  

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batye
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2/3/2016 2:41:14 PM
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@mpouraryan yes, as at this times if you do not grow big you will fail... and Oracle just scop them :)

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clrmoney
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2/13/2016 12:55:56 PM
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Mobile TeleSystems
I think that theyre will be changes that come along for mobile services Mobile TeleSystems OJSC (MTS whether is t goes up or down. They will probably be offering more data packages and that would be a good thing.

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batye
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2/15/2016 12:31:10 AM
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interesting observation, as this days consumers do ask for more data to use 

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freehe
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2/19/2016 11:51:50 AM
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This may appeal more to Generation X and Baby Boomers. However, millennials love apps and gadgets. They love using the latest technology product and are happy using multiple apps. MTS will have to do more to lure millennials customers. In addition, some smartphones customers are loyal and continue to remain with a telcom company even if they are not completely satisified with the service provided.

I saw this quote in the article, "With MTS Connect you can send and receive calls and messages on WiFi even without 2G, 3G or 4G network coverage, so our customers can get crystal clear reception in every corner of the building," says Betti.

This would be great if it happens especially in the U.S. This would also be extremely very helpful in cases of natural disasters or other catastrophic events. If this technology was available during 9/11 many would have been able to reach their loved ones much sooner. I am excited to see how this progresses.

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batye
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1/2/2017 1:12:23 PM
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@freehe interesting point I could not agree more I think this way more life could be saved if disaster hits and good communication line is available...

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1/27/2017 11:23:05 AM
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