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Mike Robuck
Mike Robuck
3/2/2016 12:21:21 PM
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Brazil
Shades of the Apple dustup. A Facebook exec in Brazil was released today after being arrested for not providing info from a WhatsApp account. 

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DHagar
DHagar
3/2/2016 1:31:03 PM
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Re: Brazil
@Mike, interesting dynamic in the international markets.  I noted with interest your statement from the German official "special obligations" of major companies.  One wonders what those expected requirements are, both in trust issues and privacy.

As you point out it appears that governments are flexing their muscles with commerce, data governance, and privacy.  I am wondering if there will not be an attempt to set up an international standard because of Apple and the earlier conflicts with companies/government with Snowden?

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vnewman
vnewman
3/2/2016 2:04:18 PM
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Re: Brazil
@DHagar - "Special obligations" sounds like a euphemism to say "you are under a microscope and if we don't like what we see, look out."

FB is apparently stirring up the pot in Germany, where the Wall Street Journal reported FB was forced to change the language in its privacy terms after a court ruled a clause was "unlawful." After failing to implement the changes by the given deadline, they were fined 100,000 Euros.    Then, last month, Germany's Federal Court of Justice ruled that FB's find-a-friend function was illegal, calling it an intrusive form of advertising.

What I find most interesting is the "Anti-trust" allegations, which is really a whole different level than issues with "privacy."  Thoughts?

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vnewman
vnewman
3/2/2016 2:20:54 PM
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Re: Brazil
Futher, the argument goes something like this: if users had more "social media" options to choose from, they may not opt to agree to FB's privacy terms.  But since they are the only game in town, they force user's hands to agree because they are a monopoly and thus, it becomes an Anti-Trust issue.

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DHagar
DHagar
3/2/2016 2:24:21 PM
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Re: Brazil
vnewman, you may be right in the line of thinking that FB's practices result in a monopoly.

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vnewman
vnewman
3/2/2016 3:21:30 PM
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Re: Brazil
I mean, in a way, I feel bad for FB if this is the treatment they receive based soley on the fact there isn't another social media giant that can compete.  That's really not their fault, so should they be penalized for it?

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DHagar
DHagar
3/2/2016 4:13:57 PM
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Re: Brazil
@vnewman, absolutely - they become a test case.  I guess that is the risk in the international markets where you are the leader.

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Mike Robuck
Mike Robuck
3/3/2016 10:41:39 AM
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In light of the Snowden leaks, I think European countries are being extra cautious in regards to keeping an eye on large US corporations. Privacy is a big deal, but maybe we're alll used to having Google keep track of most everything we do here in the US. (Somewhat joking)

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DHagar
DHagar
3/3/2016 12:46:43 PM
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@Mike, that makes sense.

Great point on our familiarity with technology.  It truly is a US product so we see it as making life better and are accustomed to it - with Google, et al!  Wait til they unleash the self-driving cars!

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vnewman
vnewman
3/2/2016 3:21:35 PM
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Re: Brazil
I mean, in a way, I feel bad for FB if this is the treatment they receive based soley on the fact there isn't another social media giant that can compete.  That's really not their fault, so should they be penalized for it?

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DHagar
DHagar
3/2/2016 2:22:13 PM
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Re: Brazil
@vnewman, great info and update - thanks!

Thoughts on anti-trust:  yes, I agree about the special obligations.  So my thoughts on anti-trust is they are interpreting any "unfair" conditions that give FB an advantage; which is either a restraint on full competition or a target against the practices specifically of FB, due to their view that it works against their markets and/or other companies.  I am thinking it appears to be more the latter in that they seem to be targeting FB.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
3/2/2016 2:05:36 PM
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Re: Brazil
@DHagar:

Setting up an 'International Standard' sounds very adequate looking at what we are witnessing with Apple Vs Gov fiasco. It is certain that Government is going to come up with more scrutinized policies for data governance and privacy. The need will only be multiplied as we go forward.

@Mike: Interesting to know about the arrest incident of Facebook exec in Germany. I would say these kind of incidents would become more common now.

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DHagar
DHagar
3/2/2016 2:28:30 PM
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Re: Brazil
ms.akkineni, good points in that the conflict between governments and consumers on privacy are going to become a growing issue, and may cross international borders.  A standard of universal acceptance, from which each country could further build upon, would provide some guidance and direction - thus security to all players as to where the lines are.

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clrmoney
clrmoney
3/3/2016 4:40:25 PM
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facebook antritrust
I don't think it is a big deal because to me you can't trust no one with your data information so to me no one can be trusted and another thing is facebook is destructive and the only thing positive about it is that is great for adverting and promoting businesses.

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afwriter
afwriter
3/3/2016 10:42:41 PM
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Re: facebook antritrust
I would disagree that Facebook is a flat out distructive entity, but I would have to agree with you that it is ultimately up to the individual to protect and monitor their own privacy if they are going to be sharing information online. 

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Mike Robuck
Mike Robuck
3/4/2016 10:24:41 AM
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Re: facebook antritrust
I agree that it's up to individuals to stay on top of their info and privacy, but I think most people don't bother. I clean cache and delete cookies, but when I'm signed into my gmail account it's a given that my Internet activities are being tracked. 

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afwriter
afwriter
3/4/2016 4:34:25 PM
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Re: facebook antritrust
@Mike I think a lot of us who work and play online walk that fine line between protecting our privacy and accepting the inevitable. 

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batye
batye
3/6/2016 7:26:15 PM
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Re: facebook antritrust
@afwriter I would say it no longer a line it more like very thin thread... sad reality of security and privacy no longer exist...

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Writerfo10281
Writerfo10281
3/7/2016 11:55:09 AM
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Re: facebook antritrust
I agree, Mike. I do those things, too (delete cookies, clean my cache) but I know I'm being tracked...and it's just like anywhere else, most of us aren't reading the fine print anyway (look at all that tiny text on your iTunes agreements! They could slip anything in there...) about how our information is being used.

Yes, facebook uses info to advertise, but so does Google...and I think most people would say that the pleasure is much greater than the pain of seeing ads when it comes to using things like facebook or gmail...

Hopefully Zuckerberg can smooth things over...

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batye
batye
4/1/2016 7:30:32 AM
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Re: facebook antritrust
@Writerfo10281 I do hope he smarten up and do things proper way and follow law of the land :) but you never know... as money gives power and power get to the head.... sad reality...

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dlr5288
dlr5288
4/26/2016 7:03:00 PM
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Re: facebook antritrust
That stuff always scares me!

You never really know what you're agreeing to unless you sit there and read the whole thing..but who really does that? We have to start being more careful, however what we agree to especially online.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
3/4/2016 11:22:54 AM
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How would a competitor make the situation better in this case?
Facebook's monopoly of the social media landscape doesn't necessarily mean it would be doing anything differently with its privacy settings if there were a similar competitor in the market. If LinkedIn or Twitter or Tumblr were bigger, would Facebook magically make its policies better? It might even make them worse so that you couldn't switch platforms.

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batye
batye
3/6/2016 2:37:57 AM
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Re: How would a competitor make the situation better in this case?
@mhhf1ve  I would say FB becoming too big and could have flows same floes as any giant Co. ...

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