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clrmoney
clrmoney
4/9/2016 1:15:27 PM
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I think that this need to get this resolved relating to data management and virtualization tools for our computers and processors etc.

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jbtombes
jbtombes
4/11/2016 3:45:29 PM
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several minutes delay?
Absent Doctor, notification of failure to the app manager takes several minutes? Wow. It's good that someone - or some group of someones - got around to addresssing that delay. So now notification can occur within a second. How long before the repair takes effect?

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
4/13/2016 7:53:17 AM
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Cool video from a business standpoint ...
... for those of us on the tech/biz interface, it would be great, though, to see some kind of packet simulation: error happens here, how does it become local message? How does local message transfer/convert upchain, and how does fix propagate downward?

I realize that our engineering writer here was probably already driven half-mad by all the cool things they didn't give him space to explain, but the right animation/simulation would help a great deal for those of us trying to follow (in a naive, semi-technical way).

 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
4/13/2016 7:56:34 AM
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If I'm understanding this correctly the basic structure is hub and spoke ...
... with hubs defined at an arbitrary network/junction distance from the rim of applications. I'm just wondering if it would be possible to devolve more and more of the analysis/repair functions down into local processors and have them report back that they found a problem and fixed it rather than requiring the whole problem-identification-attempt-solution-evaluation cycle to pass through the upper reaches of the pyramid?

Or have I misunderstood the architecture?

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FrancisLiu
FrancisLiu
4/14/2016 10:00:41 PM
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1 whole second
Is that good enough?

What's the current detection and failover time for VoLTE or even older spec voice ?

While the article doesn't explicitly state it, I expect that Doctor can handle n+1. Is that correct, or does it only do Active/Standy, ie 1+1.

Thanks for bringing this effort to light. If you hadn't pointed it out, we'd still be thinking that NFV had sub-second response times like people expect from transport networks.

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Carlos Goncalves
Carlos Goncalves
4/18/2016 11:03:18 AM
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Re: several minutes delay?
Yes, before notifications could take up to several minutes and it was not deterministic because of two stats pooling times in between.

The time for repairing can vary a lot depending on a number of factors that may be external to the virtual infrastructure management (VIM) platform, e.g. OpenStack. For instance, a recovery action could be, as presented in this article, switching to a standby VNF triggered by the upper layers (e.g. VNF, VNF Manager, NFV Orchestrator) and that takes milliseconds. We measured 103 milliseconds from active-standby switching action to recovery in an OpenStack testbed (Use Case #2 https://wiki.opnfv.org/download/attachments/5046291/20150730_doctor_demo_v6.pdf).

Another recovery action could involve actions to the VIM such as evacuation of the VNF/VM to another compute node – in this case, it could take up to seconds (we measured 58-second evacuation time in an OpenStack testbed; Use Case #1). However, for telco operation, switching to the standby VNF would be necessary before such evacuation actions.


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Carlos Goncalves
Carlos Goncalves
4/18/2016 11:03:52 AM
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Re: Cool video from a business standpoint ...
Hello, John. Thank you for your valuable comments. Please kindly refer to https://wiki.opnfv.org/download/attachments/5046291/20150730_doctor_demo_v6.pdf. I believe the slide deck can answer to your questions. The Doctor team will be talking about the project soon at the OpenStack Summit Austin. I invite you to join us and get a live demo :)


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Carlos Goncalves
Carlos Goncalves
4/18/2016 11:05:56 AM
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Re: If I'm understanding this correctly the basic structure is hub and spoke ...
John, you made a very good point!

Not everything needs to be reported to upper layer management entities. What could be locally repaired (e.g. a fan or RAID disk failure) can be locally repaired. The objective is to reduce the service downtime to zero.  In the Doctor architecture, we have the Inspector module where an Operator can flexibly define what kind of fault it wants the VIM (e.g. OpenStack) to report to upper layer managements. It should be flexible and programmable to be able to reflect Operators policy.

We also need to consider the fact that in certain redundancy configurations, e.g. 1+1 ACT-SBY, local repairing may violate the ACT-SBY interdependency. Migration, re-instantiation, etc. type of recovery should not be performed without notifying the upper layer management. That's what Doctor tries to achieve. Based on the policy defined in the Inspector module, Doctor notifies the upper layer management about a fault so that the upper layer management can take necessary action, e.g., switch to the standby instance.

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Carlos Goncalves
Carlos Goncalves
4/18/2016 11:07:41 AM
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Re: 1 whole second
Theoretically and technically, n+1 is also possible. However, the fast notification feature in Doctor provides the upper layer management a mean to switch to a standby VNF as soon as it receives such fault notification. Now, a sub-second switchover is possible if the standby is a hot-standby. The upper layer management can then just switch to the hot-standby, and provided that Doctor sends a fast enough fault notification, the switchover can be completed in sub-second order. Assuming the standby in an n+1 redundancy scheme is a common standby node and not in hot-standby, fast notification from Doctor will not guarantee a sub-second level recovery. Well, that won't be Doctor's fault though :)


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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
4/19/2016 7:24:47 AM
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Re: If I'm understanding this correctly the basic structure is hub and spoke ...
Carlos, that's a great solution made much better by the ability of individual organizations to decide the exact structure of reporting and control they want at each level, rather than trying to write a "correct" version for them ahead of time (the bane of any software buyer: the supplier who decided what would be "right" and imposed it).  I assume it is also possible for users to change their minds more or less on the fly, so that if it becomes clear that higher levels don't need some information, or that they do, they can begin or stop recording data in those categories without having to redo the whole database?

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