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afwriter
5/5/2016 11:52:25 PM
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Love it but...
As a huge media guy I love the idea of taking my TV with me everywhere I go, but it is a big data drain. It would be nice if they could do something to lower the data usage while streaming live TV.
batye
5/6/2016 1:55:41 AM
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Re: Love it but...
@afwriter interesting idea, myself I put all of my media on portable drive as it easy this way to get entertain while travel... but to have ability to taking my TV with me everywhere would be a better option...
dcawrey
5/7/2016 10:05:34 AM
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Re: Love it but...
A lot of people don't realize how much data video saps from a mobile device. It can become expensive. I'm always cautious of it, but am amazed by the number of people I see watching what seems like endless hours of video on their mobile device.
batye
5/9/2016 2:46:44 AM
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Re: Love it but...
@dcawrey I would say it human nature as they want to enjoy now... keep forgeting it gonna cost too much later...
mhhf1ve
5/8/2016 2:59:18 PM
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I wonder how much of a threat they view....
Comcast is getting into the TV everywhere space, but not into the all kinds of content everywhere-- like Twitch or Let's Play videos. I wonder if Comcast sees that kind of content as a threat at all?
batye
5/9/2016 2:47:53 AM
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Re: I wonder how much of a threat they view....
@mhhf1ve I think they do, they just do not say it as may have a plan to deal with it :) we never know...
mhhf1ve
5/9/2016 10:40:33 AM
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Re: I wonder how much of a threat they view....
Comcast buying Dreamworks is maybe part of its plan to address emerging threats like Twitch and Let's Play videos, but I wonder if Comcast is thinking about acquiring more startups. IIRC, Comcast bought a startup and turned it into "Xfinity" -- so I think there may be more startups becoming fodder for cablecos to help deal with the OTT threats.
batye
5/10/2016 1:13:41 AM
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@mhhf1ve I think they are as it would be a smart move to grab everything :) maybe we do not know yet :)
Ariella
5/10/2016 12:50:56 PM
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Re: I wonder how much of a threat they view....
@mhhf1ve It seems every time you turn around, you find another channel emerging for programming. Now Spotify announced that it is offering its own original programming. According to the AdAge article:
Spotify will unveil plans for its first slate of original shows Monday, a year after adding clips from the BBC and Comedy Central. Episodes of every program, which range from a few minutes to 15 minutes, will be available to free and paid Spotify users in the U.S., U.K., Germany and Sweden.
Having amassed an audience of 75 million users, Spotify is counting on video to bring in new customers and convince current ones to spend more time on the service, which offers more than 30 million songs on-demand. If those customers spend less time on rivals YouTube and Apple Music -- both of which offer video -- all the better.
mhhf1ve
5/10/2016 3:18:02 PM
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Re: I wonder how much of a threat they view....
Original programming trend is indeed going a bit crazy... The big problem, I think, is that the distribution is very fragmented. If I want to watch Spotify exclusive videos, I'll need yet another app on my TV/screen/device... ugh. People used to complain about having hundreds of TV channels and "nothing good to watch" -- and now we're going to have that PLUS a few dozen apps. Hopefully, the content is getting better?
Ariella
5/10/2016 4:05:13 PM
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@mhhf1ve If not better in a universal sense, perhaps better for its target audience. It appears that Spotify will create content that its data indicates fits its audience. So perhaps it's really about identifying a lot more niche markets and tailoring for those much more specifically than programming did in the past.
mhhf1ve
5/10/2016 6:17:48 PM
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Re: I wonder how much of a threat they view....
Audience-targeted content sounds better than sitcoms of the 1980s... but I really wonder what it will look like? Sneaky product placement in teenager-targeted shows, so that kids want to buy certain clothes? I've seen some pretty strange kid-targeted TV shows on Nickelodeon where the plot of one show was a group of kids fighting with another group of kids over "stealing" their idea for a show... It was pretty blatant that Viacom was teaching a new generation of kids to uphold long term copyright laws.... So..
I was pretty shocked seeing some young kids watching this, too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eFZUAahSaA
brought to you by WIPO....
Ariella
5/10/2016 6:46:36 PM
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@mhhf1ve It is rather misleading, as patents do not necessarily apply to all inventions. I recently interviewed an attorney whose specialty is intellectural property, which indicates that it is not at all straightforward. Patents also tend to be abused, as in the case of patent trolls. As for copyrights, it's interesting that there is a school of thought that is fundamentally opposed to copyright. There also is the copyleft.
mhhf1ve
5/10/2016 6:58:28 PM
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Re: I wonder how much of a threat they view....
Teaching kids the nuances of patents, trademarks and copyright.. is probably something that shouldn't be done with cartoons or sitcom-like TV shows aimed at tweens. When all these shows are hyper-targeted for particular age groups, it'll be interesting to see how each age group is "brainwashed" by the content.
I can just imagine TV shows targeted at older viewers filled with fear-inducing political plots to prey on the worries of social security insolvency or other issues... (Does Trump have a media company..?)
Ariella
5/10/2016 8:43:03 PM
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Re: I wonder how much of a threat they view....
@mhhf1ve Each media outlet has its own flavor of fear-mongering, depending on which political outlook it subscribes to. For example, if you look up news articles on Willie Soon, Ph.D., an astrophysicist in the Solar, Stellar and Planetary Sciences Division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts, you'll find him painted as a sellout to big oil in NPR and as hero vilified for speaking the turth in Breitbart. And the like-minded publication all fall into those two camps. I can start reading an article without looking at the publication and guess where its from just based on the political slant that it takes, though some adopt a shriller tone than others.
mhhf1ve
5/10/2016 9:21:39 PM
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Re: I wonder how much of a threat they view....
> "Each media outlet has its own flavor of fear-mongering, depending on which political outlook it subscribes to. "
Sure.. CNN and Fox News have very different takes on the "news" of the day. But what happens when the data mining of opinions creates "channels" (or feeds or whatever) of media that target niche groups based on social media and search history preferences? Yikes.
It's like 1984.. but instead of "Big Brother" -- it's just a bunch of algorithms trying to chase stock prices or advertising budgets or something...
Ariella
5/11/2016 8:33:27 AM
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Re: I wonder how much of a threat they view....
< But what happens when the data mining of opinions creates "channels" (or feeds or whatever) of media that target niche groups based on social media and search history preferences? Yikes.>
@mhhf1ve Funny you should say that now when Facebook is under srutiny for manipulating feeds. Gizmodo wrote about it earlier this week: http://gizmodo.com/former-facebook-workers-we-routinely-suppressed-conser-1775461006
And yesterday, Reuters reported, Senate committee questions Facebook over news selection:
U.S. Senator John Thune, the chairman of the committee, told reporters Tuesday his primary concern was that Facebook may be engaging in deceptive behavior if employees meddled with what trending news was displayed.
"If you have a stated policy, which your followers or your audience knows to be the case, that you use an objective algorithm for trending topics -- you better follow that policy," Thune said. "It's a matter of transparency and honesty and there shouldn't be any attempt to mislead the American public."
The letter to Facebook includes requests for information on the organizational structure for the "Trending Topics feature."
The thing is that Facebook claims to be reporting what is trending but appears to have ignored trending news if it didn't fit with the political agenda it wished to promote. So it is possible to go to far in setting things up according to your niche when you pretend objectivity.
mhhf1ve
5/11/2016 2:44:37 PM
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Re: I wonder how much of a threat they view....
>"Facebook is under scrutiny for manipulating feeds..."
Every "media" entity has some bias -- and it's not necessarily possible to be completely transparent. I doubt Facebook had its engineers specifically try to reduce "conservative" topics in its trending algorithms. It could have been a feedback loop that trained machine learning in this way -- and engineers didn't even know what it was really doing because they were measuring different metrics. For instance, Facebook's trending topics might have been trying to maximize engagement, and it just so happened that the population that uses Facebook's trending topics the most are liberal-leaning users -- and that fact biased the topics algorithm towards liberal topics without any single person or entity making that decision. It's a kind of "wisdon of the crowds" that wouldn't necessarily have been anticipated....
Ariella
5/11/2016 3:22:22 PM
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@mhhf1ve that's about what FB claims, as relayed in http://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-refutes-criticisms-about-a-bias-against-conservatives-1462890206. What they don't admit to, though, is that what you see trending may be the result of another company's manipulations. The New York Times has investe din a startup called Keywee that sends out selected content on FB pages in the hope of attracting eyeballs and subscribers. There's an explanation of how it works here: http://digiday.com/publishers/new-york-times-finds-new-subscribers-facebook/ I should think that would play a role in what individuals see as trending. It's not necessarily what's trending but what services paying to distribute their own content through FB are sending out.
mhhf1ve
5/11/2016 3:39:51 PM
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Re: I wonder how much of a threat they view....
> "what you see trending may be the result of another company's manipulations..."
This is a very similar problem to what Google faces with its search result ranking algorithms -- everyone is trying to game search engine results, too... but it's pretty much impossible for Google to be "transparent" and fight these SEO players at the same time. And I think Facebook is in the same position of trying to fend off the SEO-analogy players for its "trending topics" algorithm.
It's very hard to keep out all these influences and try to be transparent at the same time, and I think Congress trying to step in... makes the situation even more ridiculous. There is no law that can adapt quick enough to these changes, and there's likely no way legislation can make trending topics or search results "objective" without seriously hindering innovation and the free market.
Ariella
5/11/2016 5:04:43 PM
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<but it's pretty much impossible for Google to be "transparent">@mhhf1ve Google has its share of lawsuits over that, as well. The same WSJ article I linked to before happened to mention that:
Google parent Alphabet Inc. faces antitrust charges in Europe for allegedly using the algorithm behind its search engine to favor its own sites over rivals.' Google denies violating European law.
mhhf1ve
5/11/2016 6:28:56 PM
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> "Google has its share of lawsuits over that..."
Well, I wasn't thinking of the EU antitrust issues Google has over potentially promoting its own services over rivals, but that's a good example.
I was more thinking about how SEO firms are constantly gaming the Google ranking algorithms to try to get the "organic" results to favor (or disfavor) various things. There was a semi-recent story of how UC Davis paid a SEO reputation company to try to move the "campus police pepper spraying students at a peaceful protest" links down the search result ranks.... That particular case backfired, but I'm sure there are plenty of other examples that don't attract as much attention and work successfully to emphasize or de-emphasize search results that people want to promote (or hide).
Ariella
5/11/2016 6:56:38 PM
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< I'm sure there are plenty of other examples that don't attract as much attention and work successfully to emphasize or de-emphasize search results that people want to promote (or hide).>
@mhhf1ve Interesting. Don't those reputation management services have to manipulate search results in just that way -- to bury (as you can't quite censor the internet) the negative mentions and highlight the positive ones? I'm not quite sure how they work other than by putting in a lot more positive stuff and playing around with SEO and the fact that more recent stuff tend to come up first to achieve the more positive light.
mhhf1ve
5/11/2016 9:25:43 PM
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> "Don't those reputation management services have to manipulate search results in just that way -- to bury..."
Well, not too long ago, it was possible to improve the "Pagerank" of any link by putting links to whatever site you wanted to improve in a LOT of comments sections of popular blogs. (This is part of the reason why comment spam is so popular....) There were also tricks to get Content Farms to produce sites that promoted a lot of decent info.. along with some shady "paid for" info. So there were effective tactics to get positive things highlighted AND negative stuff buried....
I don't keep up to date on the current SEO tricks, but they are constantly evolving as Google plays cat&mouse with them. There used to be SEO competitions to try to figure out strategies -- just like black hat hacker conventions -- with prize money for people who could get the best search rankings. I'm not sure if those contests still exist, but I'm pretty sure SEO games are still being played (and are effective for some)....
Part of the game is just to make some advertising cheaper. Google's search ads are priced with some mystery algorithm that discounts for relevancy -- so if you can get your ads to be more relevant, your ads will be cheaper. (And one way to try to game that is to make search results more relevant to your ads via SEO tactics.)
Ariella
5/11/2016 9:35:48 AM
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<(Does Trump have a media company..?)> @mhhf1ve to the best of my knowledge he doesn't own one. But he doesn't have to. He clearly subscribes to the view that there's no such thing as bad publicity, and he knows how to get it going. There's a take on that here:
http://www.ibtimes.com/how-digital-media-made-money-pretending-shame-donald-trump-over-taco-tweet-2365362
The Taco Incident is a microcosm of the general duplicity digital media has enjoyed this election season — Huffington Post in particular — shaming voters and networks for their interest in Trump while splashing his face on every conceivable corner of their websites.
mhhf1ve
5/10/2016 3:21:00 PM
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Re: I wonder how much of a threat they view....
Comcast is also going to need to respond to Amazon's new Youtube-like video service, I think. The amount of video available nowadays is going to be very difficult to track! I wonder how kids will find out what to watch and when.... There's no "TV Guide" anymore for all these video streams -- is there?
JohnBarnes
5/10/2016 7:19:33 AM
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TV Everywhere = "No spoilers"
One reason why sports (and to some extent the political debate) are such a natural for TV Everywhere is that for many people a part of the drama/excitement is not knowing what happens next. Being able to watch live or close to live is important so that you're wondering what will happen next rather than seeing that great play you've already heard/read about and knowing the final score. Similarly, seeing political debates delayed and excerpted means little possibility of surprise.
mhhf1ve
5/11/2016 2:53:08 PM
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So much content...
> "Now we have 92 partner sites and our customers are watching a plethora of content. We've come a long way in a short amount of time."
It really is amazing how much more content there is out there now. It's impossible for any single person to keep up on all of it. There used to be those "Talk Soup" like shows that meta-aggregated all the highlights of the talk shows. We're going to need more of those meta shows for web content to cover viral videos and reality TV and all the singing/dancing/talent contests and cooking shows and Let's Play videos and all the other new genres of video that no individual could possible have time to watch...
mhhf1ve
5/11/2016 9:32:17 PM
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Finding Content...
Our discussions of search and trending topics reminds me that there seems to be an opportunity for a media search engine to help viewers find the shows/movies/videos that they're interested in watching (because there's so much video content now, fragmented over so many distribution channels).
Apple TV attempts to find whatever shows you might be looking for across iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, Showtime, HBO... and other apps that use the Apple TV API for 'universal search' functions... And I think with more "TV Everywhere"-like apps, there will be a growing need for media searches that find shows/videos across apps and networks. (It's not an easy problem to solve!)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205321
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