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mpouraryan
5/25/2016 12:59:06 AM
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Working Away....
Glad to see this reaffirmed--How to harness the data is the ultimate challenge (something that I think everyone realizes). The question of the "how" is the open question--isn't it?
clrmoney
5/25/2016 11:14:15 AM
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IOT Future
I know IOT has big data usage because we use data almost everday day and I'm nor sure about the artificial intelligence part but going nto the future they will probably be more of it.
JohnBarnes
5/25/2016 2:36:04 PM
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The odd thing in some ways is that so little data is actually used. Most of the data corporations, governments, and NGOs acquire goes straight to storage, never to be touched again. So it's really the AI that will make IoT matter; it's not the gathering but the processing that counts.
DHagar
5/25/2016 10:41:58 PM
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@JohnBarnes, I fully agree. That is where the value will be realized. The organizations that begin to tap into the data and develop it as a true asset, will really gain.
It does take the ecosystems (and connectivity) to develop this capability, but then the AI use, as you say, is where customers will get the value and the "wow" factor.
mpouraryan
5/27/2016 10:47:44 PM
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Re: IOT Future
Before "running off" for the W-End, I wanted to report on this I saw which underscores what Mike was try to underscore in his column:
What it is: Otto is a startup founded by ex-Google employees that has created a kit enabling companies to retrofit a commercial truck into a self-driving car. In tests, Otto's sensor-laden hardware and OS transformed a Volvo VNL 780 into a self-driving truck; the team's next step is to work with Class 8 trucks.
Why it's important: Otto's kits let companies create their own self-driving fleets without replacing every single vehicle. While this solution won't replace drivers entirely -- currently, a human still needs to be in the vehicle -- it will hopefully provide long-haul human drivers the critical backup they need for safer, more efficient drives.
enough said...
Wishing all a restful Memorial Day WeekEnd.
dlr5288
5/28/2016 1:39:27 PM
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Thank you for this!
I find this so fascinating and exciting! It's so cool to see how far we've come with technology when it comes to automobiles.
mpouraryan
5/28/2016 2:36:35 PM
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Re: IOT Future
It is fascinating--but at times rather scary. We have to control this "genie" before it consumes us--As I see it, it is the ultimate challenge as we are all witness to this transformation effort.
JohnBarnes
5/29/2016 11:04:44 PM
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Re: IOT Future
M Pouraryan,
I don't worry so much about the genie turning out to be treacherous as I do about an idea that the late radical philosopher Philip Slater once suggested, half-playfully: the wishes that have the most power are the unconscious ones, because by definition we don't see them directing us and they come from places we don't like.
So I don't think we're going to create Frankenstein's monster, who will then make monster brides and take over the world.
I worry a lot more about our creating the technology to turn ourselves into the monsters, and simultaneously making a world in which it pays to be a monster.
(Anyone ever seen the great old science fiction movie Forbidden Planet? "Monsters from the id, captain, it's monsters from the id!")
Michelle
5/31/2016 11:45:16 AM
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Re: IOT Future
@John This is the sort of existential demise CSER believes we'll see in the future, isn't it?
JohnBarnes
5/31/2016 2:54:35 PM
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Michelle,
CSER tends to worry about our having no descendants. That could happen of course but I think it's more likely we will have plenty of biological descendants -- we just won't understand them. Much of what we accomplish will be retold into our efforts leading up to their existence but in fact we not only won't have intended them to exist, we won't even grasp what matters to them.
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@JohnBarnes: As long as we make sure we as human maintain our supremacy on it, we should be fine--but the sense of balance with an eye towards maintaining the very sense of humanity is key. It is something that I see as being somewhat lost in the rush for the glamour. Apple, to me, is the epitome of it right now....
batye
6/13/2016 5:25:49 AM
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@mpouraryan I tust you are right as Apple lost it edge... and glamour not a good selling tool for the hardware...
mpouraryan
6/13/2016 3:12:16 PM
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What we have to assess is how transformative the latest Apple announcements are with the new OS and the recommitment 2 WatchOS and whether this will help get "apple's Mojo" back as I reflected upon with I was on my media review for @DailyOutsider.
Never a dull moment...no question...
batye
6/13/2016 3:23:23 PM
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@mpouraryan for now I would not trust Apple... as I love to play my games with controller I like - not whatever forced as Apple bundle... and I'm not alone...
mpouraryan
6/13/2016 3:25:48 PM
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What is critical for us all to never trust anything--and be attentive and make sure "Cavaet Emptor"--that's key.
batye
6/13/2016 3:32:10 PM
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@mpouraryan yes, could not agree more... I do have many apple products around the house... but for now I will not be buying new one or upgrade :) lol
mpouraryan
6/14/2016 12:38:15 PM
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I have been continuing to assess what has been announced--and there are some very interesting Software developments--including for instance enhancements in iOS10. Let's remain open-minded.
batye
6/14/2016 12:51:45 PM
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@mpouraryan I'm open minded about Apple :) it just in my mind I wanna use my old controller :) to play the game :)
mpouraryan
6/14/2016 5:47:41 PM
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Glad to see you feel this way--Transformation underscores the need to be open-minded--no doubt.
batye
6/14/2016 6:53:01 PM
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@mpouraryan I try always to be open minded... but with Apple for now I vote with my money... and No vote for Apple until they change they way - making it a bit more open to allow true gaming controllers... do not get me wrong I did love Apple... as I do have ipod shiffle - 2, ipod touch 4 - 1, ipod nano -2, ipad mini -1, Apple tv -2, but like I said before I love to play my way....
mpouraryan
6/14/2016 8:29:19 PM
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So, you're suggesting that they are not transformational enough and seem to have lost their way? Is that what you're telling us?
batye
6/14/2016 8:44:40 PM
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@mpouraryan No, We never lost our way in transformation... we are very good and transformational more than enough... what I'm saying Apple need to be more open allow user to use Apple products the way users wants it, instead Apple locking user out... only Apple cables, only Apple controller, only itunes... Apple user must have more freedom with what cable to use or what device they could attach to they Apple product... Got it :)
mpouraryan
6/14/2016 8:57:44 PM
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I will remind you, though, that a very lucrative industry has grown around Apple that sustains quite an ecosystem. Although the closed nature of the system can be frustrating, we should not discount it.
mhhf1ve
6/15/2016 8:05:46 PM
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> "only Apple cables, only Apple controller, only itunes..."
I think Apple is slowly moving toward more open accessories.. very slowly..
I think it's a good sign that they adopted USB-C and dropped the Apple MagSafe power cord. Apple is also shifteid toward more open source software, developing on Swift (even though Apple is behind Swift, it's still an open source language).
Apple is starting to allow 3rd parties into its tools like Siri... so maybe these are all signs that Apple understands the days of all proprietary closed devices are becoming obsolete.
batye
6/15/2016 8:48:22 PM
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@mhhf1ve I do hope Apple smarten up and change - become more open...
mhhf1ve
6/14/2016 12:52:45 PM
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The spread of Siri, Cortana, Alexa, Google Now... Is going to make user interfaces a bit more challenging -- as users start to deal with "misheard" commands. Also, does anyone else find it a bit creepy that computers everywhere will be listening to everyone all the time? It might raise some serious privacy concerns. (And it reminds me of one the Christopher Nolan Batman movies...)
mpouraryan
6/14/2016 5:51:14 PM
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That's why humanity has to prevail constantly and consistently--something I have continued to emphasize throughout my deliberative process here. We have to make sure this happens--and hold those who are at the forefront of innovation (Google et. al) accountable.
dlr5288
5/31/2016 11:24:02 AM
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Very true. It's hard not to get caught up in technology. Even though it is cool to see how far we've come, you're right. It has to be controlled.
DHagar
5/31/2016 7:36:58 PM
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@mpouraryan, an outstanding example! Thanks for sharing.
I believe this is where you will really see implementation take hold. This is a great blend of machine and human intelligence! Our favorite combination!
Hope you had a great Memorial Day!
Re: IOT Future
Happy June and thanks for the kind sentiments @DHagar.
The challenge, as I see it (and we've discussed it) to make sure we continue to stay in charge. Whether in fact this happens or not is the ultimate question--isn't it?
Onward..as I look forward to the on-going deliberations throughout the month.
DHagar
6/1/2016 12:46:29 PM
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@mpouraryan, indeed. This is more than a philosophical debate, it truly is about taking leadership to ensure that decisions are made up and down the line that are more than expedient, but are thoughtful in balancing accountability, resources, and ultimate execution. That truly requires optimum machine AND human intelligence.
If we don't lead, then we will have no excuse. So thoughtful opinions and education (ie Telco Transformation), keep us focused on the right track. If we choose, we will lead appropriately.
Happy June as well!
batye
6/1/2016 12:57:37 PM
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@DHagar interesting point, for me it never ending process striving for getting better knowledge... it never ends... as everything changes...and knowledge is power...
DHagar
6/1/2016 1:03:29 PM
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@batye, great points! Humans are truly capable of continuing to learn - whereas machines are fed the learning and then catch up. If we keep that in mind, we will get smarter. If we just hold onto what we have learned, then we will be surpassed.
batye
6/1/2016 1:26:12 PM
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@DHagar thank you, I think human nature is to learn and improve via knowledge :) it like build in our DNA...
DHagar
6/1/2016 1:36:26 PM
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@batye, indeed - that's what makes us human! Let's hope we don't forget that.
batye
6/1/2016 1:46:32 PM
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@DHagar human connection , is like mothers touch very important....
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We hope so @bayte--but reality is otherwise.
batye
6/2/2016 1:24:37 AM
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@mpouraryan yes and no, but we shall never give up learning :) - how I see it...
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Having an open mind is something that is absolutely vital for achieving one's objective. But what we have to guard against is not to be taken "too much in" to technology. As I have noted before, there is a balance that we have to constantly strive for.
Have yourself a fab Friday..and a fab Weekend @Batye--as I wish all in the community the same :))
PS-Some food 4 thought 2 share:
"Some people cannot accept mistakes.
Everything has to be perfect from the start.
They think others will look down on them
if they appear to be flawed.
These people are frequently stressed.
The happiest and most successful people
focus on improvement.
They love mistakes and flaws,
because they see them as opportunities to grow.
Learn from these people.
Have lofty goals,
but have realistic standards.
Don't judge yourself based on the results of your action.
See them as feedback,
and seek improvement from there."
~ Blon Lee
batye
6/2/2016 9:13:24 PM
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@mpouraryan thank you, good weekend to all :) I love your point :) as it does make sense...
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It seems as if the human element continues to be discounted in this on-going transformation evolution (or revolution) we are witness to. Kurzweil's dream is being realized especially, for instance, as I see this I am trying to get my arms around from one of the leading thinkers on transformation, Mary Meeker: http://www.kpcb.com/internet-trends
DHagar
6/1/2016 4:11:55 PM
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@mpouraryan, thanks for sharing - fascinating statistics - I have glanced through and will digest further. But you raise an important point - there is one view from the USA, but the globalization, and economic competition is another matter - as this report points out.
Clearly, the USA places a higher value on the human capital. So one can see in the growing globalization that the temptation to "minimize" human capital may be there, especially with the economic threats.
This definitely is a different perspective and one that competition - leading the way with the strongest economy - will have to sort out. Let's hope we lead the way.
batye
6/2/2016 1:16:21 AM
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@mpouraryan thanks for the link, interesting reading... make me think...
Michelle
5/29/2016 5:35:58 PM
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@John thanks for enlightening those of us who live under rocks. I assumed less than an optimal amound of data was actually used, but didn't think so much would go straight to storage. So the future of all these connected things isn't the connection or the things themselves, but the AI?
JohnBarnes
5/29/2016 10:46:52 PM
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@Michelle,
Some kinds of analysis are done fairly routinely, the sort of thing that you can get out of very simple percent-by-type tables and graphs. So Walmart probably knows whether lawnmowers sell better in Wisconsin or Idaho, maybe even county by county. They might or might not know what the relationship is between home ownership and lawnmower ownership (as related to, say, annual rainfall and percentage of houses under HOAs). Almost for sure they haven't been back through their BILLIONS of transaction records with a machine-learning algorithm that could figure out how the homeowner-lawnmower relationship changes per cultural demographic, prevailing terrain, and generations.
And right now, the data analysts to compile and clean the data, the software engineers to write the machine learning algorithm, and the data scientists to interpret the results into a system of equations they can use to develop their product orders and marketing plans would cost a few million dollars in development costs, and there's not that much money in lawnmower sales.
But in a very few years, it will cost ... a few dollars. Whole process automated, start to finish, eventually. And then it will be applied to EVERYTHING.
So that huge archive is mostly unexploited, except in the simplest way. It won't stay that way.
Michelle
5/30/2016 12:31:02 PM
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@John I knew I could count on you for insight! Thank you. I'm facinated by the prospect of connecting all the data to actions. Understanding the relationship of purchases to other factors is facinating (and a little scary too).
JohnBarnes
5/30/2016 6:18:49 PM
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Michelle,
I've always been half-inclined to buy the arguments of Julian Jaynes (The Origins of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind) and of Michel Foucault (especially in The Order of Things) that people in the past simply thought differently from people today -- not just that they had different opinions or viewpoints, which is obvious, but that their brains worked in a fundamentally different way. (There's quite a bit of this in Nick Carr's THE SHALLOWS, too, a book guaranteed to offend most of the tech people online).
But before we have even really begun to adapt to a consciousness built around permanent distraction and constant noisy screaming for our attention, I think we're going to be swamped by the power of machine learning plus big data to allow us to see so many things we never could before -- including, at first, things of types we don't recognize.
Michelle
5/31/2016 11:42:35 AM
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@John I wonder if we'll be ready for the now unknown things when they become known.
I hope you're writing a book about these things unknown.
JohnBarnes
5/31/2016 2:43:44 PM
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Michelle,
The thing about epistemic change is that because people are fundamentally different afterward, it's pretty hard to imagine what it will feel like before. Various sci fi writers have tried to imagine the world after such a change but they almost always end up cheating about the changes in people it implies.
DHagar
5/31/2016 7:39:52 PM
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@JohnBarnes, I have read and thoroughly enjoyed The Shallows. I think if we lose the ability to think we will all be in trouble.
Great intellectual stimulation - thanks!
JohnBarnes
5/31/2016 10:16:42 PM
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DHagar,
THE SHALLOWS is indeed a scary book. A fun exercise: look at the Amazon 1- and 2- star reviews of the book, and you will see a very large number of people who are having exactly the problems thinking that the book describes (and are really cheesed off that anyone thinks anything is wrong with that!)
DHagar
5/31/2016 10:23:21 PM
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@JohnBarnes - Oh my! I will do!
freehe
5/26/2016 4:05:49 PM
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IoT
Companies have to do much more than to just "be in IoT". IoT is a huge arena and it must be used strategically or it is just a waste of resources. This is another example of companies engaging in the latest trend but not really producing any tangible results.
dlr5288
5/27/2016 11:33:31 AM
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I agree.
I feel like if a company truly understand IoT then good for them. However, a lot of companies, like you said, are just jumping on the band wagon without really knowing what goes into it. Dumb idea really.
JohnBarnes
5/29/2016 10:53:42 PM
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freehe, dir5288,
I suspect a part of the reason why so many tech terms become non-understood executive buzzwords is that so many business decisions are made, even today, by the seat of the pants (or pulled from somewhere close to that) and then confirmed as correct by the business principle that The Boss Is The Boss.
But that's exactly what the big data analytics revolution is mustering to overthrow. You can see that already in many of the interviews here at TT; yes, we still have the occasional exec quoting lines that PR fed him, but more and more, it's clear that executives are being forced to wade in and understand the dance between business and tech from both sides. So it's an old problem, but I think we may all be surprised at how fast it goes away.
I am wondering where my sudden attack of optimism came from ... <g>
dlr5288
5/31/2016 11:29:53 AM
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Very well put.
I too think that employees are becoming more and more aware of what is actually going on in their companies today. It's crucial to know how the business world along with the new technological advances.
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