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Mike Robuck
Mike Robuck
6/23/2016 3:42:02 PM
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IoT
Good story by Joe. It's going to be interesting to see how the competition reacts to Verizon upping its IoT game with these new features. 

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DHagar
DHagar
6/23/2016 8:21:16 PM
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Re: IoT
@Mike, I am thinking the same thing about the perspective from competitors.

It's a great vision and I think viable in the areas of connectivity - I think Verizon can do well there.  But I am not so confident of their knowledge or their ability to compete in big data and analytics.

It seems as if they are trying to possibly be the all-in-one system - with their purchases and expansion.  I think this fits tactically, but I do not see some of the strategic alignments.

Thanks for the interesting developments, Joe.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
6/24/2016 11:53:04 AM
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Re: IoT
I agree with you. I'm not sure if Verizon will be able to make this successful using apps and developments like that. As a Verizon customer I'm curious and anxious to see where this will lead.

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DHagar
DHagar
6/24/2016 1:42:07 PM
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Re: IoT
@dir5288, yes, I  believe they might be underestimating the difference, and may not have the expertise in that area.

Congratulations then as a Verizon customer, I think they are making some smart strategic moves in building their networks - which they clearly have knowledge.  They get points for innovation and opening up new service opportunities. 

I think ThingSpace is great - we will see what they do with it.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
6/25/2016 1:27:56 PM
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Re: IoT
I'm currently satisfied as a Verizon customer. They do have their issues, but overall my experience has been pleasant! And I'm excited to see what will be the next thing they take on!

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
6/26/2016 8:04:02 PM
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Re: IoT
Mike, DHagar,

The great thing about big data/analytics is that the user does such a big part of the work. Check out the huge libraries of functions for R, Python, or the various forms of SQL and you'll discover that people build tools very quickly, critique and fix them just about instantly, and then combine them to make more. If you think of information that can be extracted from any big pile of already-collected data, and you've got good stats chops (say, about 2nd year grad school in statistics/statistical inference/machine learning), chances are that in any halfway mature system all the modules you need are already out there, for free or for cheap, somewhere, mostly built by hobbyists.The bottleneck is really just having the people who know enough of the right math to make it all work together.

Rolling out an app store and a big-data analytics feature simultaneously isn't just a lucky coincidence; the first will enable the second.

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DHagar
DHagar
6/27/2016 1:15:14 PM
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Re: IoT
@JohnBarnes, great points about big data/analytics.  The user-driven applicability truly does unleash the speed and value of the technology.  The tools are increasingly available to develop the solutions the user needs and wants.

You also raise great points about the limits now are the human limits.  This takes us back to the basics of math and "thinking" through problem-solving.  We need to get back to the basics to gear up for the technological advancements.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
6/27/2016 11:47:28 PM
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DHagar, the beauty of the computer is that its back-to-basic is not calculus and linear algebra, but plain old brute force. So the mathfolk can put all their subtlety and cleverness into correctly stating the problem rather than into solving it. "Machines should work; people should think."

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DHagar
DHagar
6/28/2016 2:07:45 PM
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Re: IoT
@JohnBarnes, exactly!  Excellent formula for success!  That's the best of all worlds.

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faryl
faryl
6/29/2016 3:08:05 AM
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Re: IoT
It will be interesting to see what kind of foothold being first will give them. Right now they have a head start, which means everything they do is "innovative".

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DHagar
DHagar
6/29/2016 4:28:40 PM
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@faryl, good analysis.  They are in a winning mode at the moment.  The true test will come with how well they execute and how strong a competitor they truly become.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
6/30/2016 7:41:59 PM
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Re: IoT
I just hope whatever happens it's not super expensive! As a Verizon customer I know they can be somewhat pricey. I'm hoping this doesn't skyrocket the prices totally.

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faryl
faryl
6/30/2016 9:20:45 PM
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Re: IoT
Good point - first & only gives them the ability to set costs, since there aren't any other choices.

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afwriter
afwriter
6/24/2016 8:39:47 PM
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Re: IoT
I agree, if this is done right Verizon is going to jump leaps and bounds ahead of competitors. It will be interesting to see the scramble to catch up.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
6/25/2016 2:45:07 PM
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Re: IoT
This does give Verizon competitive advantage. 

IoT is going to be huge. However, no one really knows exactley what's going to be the biggest driver of this. ThingSpace is a proving ground for this, and allows Verizon to learn as it goes along. 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
6/26/2016 8:06:40 PM
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Re: IoT
dcawrey,

I'd put down a not-very-confident bet that IoT will turn out to make most of its money as a personal-development tool; a lot of people really want to be "all watched over by machines of loving grace".

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faryl
faryl
6/29/2016 4:46:30 PM
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Re: IoT
I think it will turn into a "Hackers Paradise" and entice some new people to start hacking their homes/lives. (Using "hacker" in it's original, benovolent sense)

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dlr5288
dlr5288
6/29/2016 9:21:22 PM
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Re: IoT
Yes true and it's so scary! I hope that in the future there will be ways to stop these hackers. I feel like the opposite might happen however. Hacks will become more and more prevalent.

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faryl
faryl
6/29/2016 10:13:19 PM
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Re: IoT
I meant more "hacking" as noodling around and trying to create new, cooler stuff/uses out of existing stuff vs. misuse/abuse. :)


(Black hat hackers give hacking a bad name!)

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dlr5288
dlr5288
6/30/2016 7:58:31 PM
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Re: IoT
Oh my mistake! But yeah I still agree with your original statement. I'm just excited to see where Verizon goes with this and what will happen in the long run!

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faryl
faryl
6/30/2016 9:17:57 PM
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Re: IoT
Me too! I like the idea of technology that's accessible enough to those who are interested that anyone can participate in innovation. So many iPhone apps have been created by users having a personal need to fill and developing a solution - things that wouldn't occur to companies to do. (So many seem to create something so that then you need it, vs. the other way 'round!)

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dlr5288
dlr5288
6/30/2016 9:31:39 PM
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Re: IoT
Exactly! I can't tell you how aggravating it is to have apps fill space on my iPhone that I literally never even have the need to open. It's pointless for me. I don't get why I need to have it on my phone permanently!

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faryl
faryl
6/30/2016 10:15:53 PM
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Re: IoT
The one that really bothers me is the stock prices one. At least the others (health and weather) are theoretically something that the average phone owner would potentially use. It seems weird to assume that some many people even own stock and need to check it regularly that it's a default feature on the phone. (And why can't we at least delete it?!)

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dlr5288
dlr5288
6/30/2016 11:41:18 PM
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Yes I have never once used that app! And exactly! If they want us to download it then fine, but why can't we delete it? Especially if we never even use it!

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batye
batye
7/7/2016 4:13:47 AM
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@dlr5288 sometime to delete it you must reset your phone or even root it to remove it... not an easy task... I'm fighting my Moto E keep trying to remove blootware... 

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DHagar
DHagar
6/27/2016 1:04:19 PM
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Re: IoT
@dcawrey, that's key.  The knowledge they are gaining and the fail fast structure should serve them well.  They deserve credit for developing this capability.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
6/28/2016 6:26:40 PM
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Re: IoT
Very true, good points. I think it'll be a learning experience for Verizon. I'm excited to see what happens and what'll be done with it in the future!

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freehe
freehe
6/28/2016 9:59:50 PM
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Verizon Beefs Up IoT
Thing Space and Big Data will help Verizon remain a market leader and force competitors to develop new products and services to compete.


 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
6/29/2016 9:13:33 PM
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Re: Verizon Beefs Up IoT
freehe,

I'd be willing to bet, though, that the smart competitors will instead develop products and services to cooperate, collaborate, and coordinate.  In the modern telco world, "If you can't beat them, join them" has been replaced by, "Don't waste time trying to beat them; just join them right away."

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faryl
faryl
6/29/2016 10:37:04 PM
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Re: Verizon Beefs Up IoT
So true - no reason to invest resources trying to reinvent the wheel, when there's a perfectly good one out there to use.

Plus telco companies make a decent chunk of money licensing out the different components they hold patents for amongst each other.  (Motorola and Qualcomm both use each other's technology/components in their phone designs, for example)

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clrmoney
clrmoney
6/24/2016 12:24:53 PM
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Verizon ang Thingspace
This is great for verizon connecting with Thingspace meaning more business and revenue and more services available.

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