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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
7/11/2016 7:49:19 AM
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Re: Produce-market priciing?
mhhf1ve,

Yes, exactly. Of course there are users who complain about too much and too complex choice, but there are also people who want the produce aisle to have one variety each of carrots, onions, potatoes, and apples, and that's it. (Presumably they are the market for frozen bags of "stew vegetables" or cans of fruit cocktail ... I think this analogy has gone as far as it should, and perhaps a bit farther ...)

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/11/2016 1:37:23 AM
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Re: Produce-market priciing?
> "maybe the solution is to price video with a large mixture of packages.."

Yup. Already starting with Amazon Prime mixed with free video -- although Amazon hasn't quite gotten into selling broadband bits yet. But it's getting close with offering a Sprint deal along with a month to month Amazon Prime deal.

http://www.recode.net/2016/3/31/11587386/sprint-amazon-prime-deal

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
7/10/2016 11:57:02 PM
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Re: video data for advertising...
It is all about bandwith in the end, right?   

 

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
7/10/2016 11:56:07 PM
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Re: Produce-market priciing?
Data is always incomplete--but we have to make the best decision based on the best circumstances--right--and then work to adjust as required.   Am I too naive in my assessment?

 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
7/10/2016 2:42:08 AM
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Produce-market priciing?
Since data are always incomplete and the situation is changing rapidly, maybe the solution is to price video with a large mixture of packages and singletons whose prices change constantly, always aiming for the best guess. That's basically what produce markets do -- oranges seem to be selling but there are probably more of them coming, apples are always popular and we can tie a fruit we want people to try (perhaps because we know a lot of it is on the way) to apples,  yes we have no bananas, etc. Consumers don't object to a market with rapidly changing prices and packages; if anything, they seem to find it fun. And since the research to do priciing and packaging is so complicated, needs such abundant data, and becomes obsolete so quickly, constantly changing best-guess pricign and packaging seems like the way to go.

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batye
batye
7/8/2016 1:23:05 AM
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Re: video data for advertising...
@mhhf1ve I still have old VHS tapes plus I got adapter coaxial input to an RCA input 

it works ok... nothing fancy but I coykd watch all of my and my wifes VHS tapes on big screen tv...

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/7/2016 6:06:13 PM
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Re: video data for advertising...
I haven't been following video compression codecs for a while... I think the compression rates have pretty much plateaued, right? I don't think the innovation in video codec is the compression anymore -- as much as other features such as variable/constant bitrates or the capability to identify key frames, etc. 

 

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dcawrey
dcawrey
7/7/2016 4:03:18 PM
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Re: video data for advertising...
No one really thinks much about compression when they watch video online, but it's pretty important. This article makes me think about the show Silicon Valley and the compression startup Pied Piper. Although it's all a joke, I can see how important technology like that is to the video industry. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/7/2016 3:43:11 PM
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Re: video data for advertising...
> "old VCR as backup"

Uh? How does that work? With the "digital transition" for broadcast TV, I thought most VCRs were rendered obsolete bc their tuners were basically useless. I guess you could feed a digital tuner into an old VCR... but then recording is more of a hassle than it used to be.

Did you stock up on tapes? Do they still sell them somewhere? 

I still have a ton of old VHS tapes... I'm just concerned that someday I won't have a working player to actually view them... or a TV that can accept analog input.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/7/2016 3:39:40 PM
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Re: video data for advertising...
adi, I think the backlash will only happen if data caps get really stingy or if consumers start to choose more pay-as-you-go data plans without any "free" data. Perhaps more zero rating will prevent this potential problem -- if operators can be bothered to actually zero rate the correct video data. I think T-mo is trying to identify what data can get zero rating, but it's not always correct (and T-mo ends up throttling a lot more data than it should).

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