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clrmoney
8/6/2016 10:53:01 AM
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Video Piracy and Streaming
Why would the streaming be a problem even thouugh they have over a million subscribers for piracy. I think would is easier and would be a better thing than downloads because sometimes on mobile phones that data speed is slow when you are downloading videos and documents etc.
Adi
8/8/2016 4:41:12 AM
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Re: Video Piracy and Streaming
@clrmoney - yes, I think it is that impatience now. Consumers have got used to immediate vewing of content through VoD services, and it's probably driving a similar shift for pirated content as well.
afwriter
8/6/2016 5:55:30 PM
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Foreign Content
I know it said that the U.S. leads in piracy (Go USA!), but I wonder what the percentage is of people who are streaming pirated content because it is not available or even illegal to watch in their countries.
Adi
8/8/2016 4:39:47 AM
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Re: Foreign Content
@afwriter - I was actually a little surprised to see the US on top, I would have expected Spain or LATAM. But perhaps its the switch to streaming that is creating different patterns, used to be more P2P based in the past. The US, with better network infrastructure, would probably be better suited to streaming.
It doesn't appear that the study looked at the availability of legal streaming servcies, but obviously the US has several, and is still no. 1.
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@Adi: Interestingly, as virtualization takes off in LATAM and other developing countries with much more market vigor and at much lower cost than in the "first world," we may see this shift.
Unless, of course, the US steals more to make up for it. ;)
Ariella
8/8/2016 10:39:38 AM
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Re: Foreign Content
@afwriter That's a very interesting question. I also find it interesting that some video streams put up from sites like the BBC are blocked in the US. Once in a while I see a link that doesn't play here, though I 'm sure it does in other places. In those cases, I assume that some providers are seeking to monetize that content and so don't want it available for free.
Re: Foreign Content
We're Number One! We're Number One! Stealing and shooting -- that's us! ;)
Also worth pointing out: Some countries just make their own (unlawful, permissionless) ripoff of successful American shows. I have a professor friend who used to teach in Russia who told me about a very strange (and clearly unofficial) Russian version of The Big Bang Theory (which, perhaps unexpectedly, was the third-most pirated show a couple years back -- back when GoT was #1 and Dexter was #2).
Ariella
8/9/2016 8:53:24 AM
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Re: Foreign Content
@Joe some of those foreign versions are comletely legal, though. For example, the British show Doc Martin has a Spanish version through Antena 3. As reported in http://tellyspotting.kera.org/2012/05/13/doc-martin-sherlock-around-the-world/, the station "bought the scripts, recast the series and shot virtually every scene identically from the ITV1 original." Elsewhere I read that the foreign versions have to conform to certain standards set by the show's creators. Also you'd think that because they speak English in a British show that Amercians would just watch the series as is. But there are talks about developing an American Doc Martin.
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@Ariella: Certainly they are legal -- when they are licensed/developed appropriately. (Indeed, one show that's been hot on Netflix: the Colombian version of Breaking Bad, Metástasis.
Others, however, like the example I gave, appear to be blatantly unsanctioned ripoffs.
Ariella
8/11/2016 1:23:29 PM
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@Joe so do they get sued for copyright infringement, or is it just too much of a pain to sue for that?
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@Ariella: They could be sued, sure. But a demand letter generally precedes a lawsuit.
Additionally, they'd have to be caught. Again, this is a story I heard secondhand related to the example I related.
What's more, the jurisdiction matters. In general, Russian authorities have a history of being noncooperative with US authorities on a great many things, so that goes into any business decision about whether to proceed with legal recourse.
Ariella
8/11/2016 2:40:22 PM
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Re: Foreign Content
@JoeWhat's more, the jurisdiction matters. In general, Russian authorities have a history of being noncooperative with US authorities on a great many things, so that goes into any business decision about whether to proceed with legal recourse.> Does that go for where the show is produced or the hosting of the program, or both.
batye
8/30/2016 3:56:09 AM
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Re: Foreign Content
@Ariella interesting observation... from my past exp... in Russia - too much corraption and Russian police always be bending the laws the way it please them... scarry place... how I see it...
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@batye: Indeed, cybersecurity journalist Brian Krebs discusses this in his book (which I highly recommend), Spam Nation. Par for the course was/is bribing police and government workers to get information, interfere with the justice system, etc.
Interestingly, as Krebs notes in his book, those who do bribe such officials may not limit themselves to defensive measures; sometimes they will do so as an offensive measure against a rival.
batye
8/31/2016 2:06:02 PM
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Re: Foreign Content
Realistically, when it comes to criminal law, it's all about extradition. Look at Edward Snowden for all you need to know about that when it comes to Russia and the U.S.
Accordingly, for both civil and criminal law, it's all about geography and sovereignty when it comes to the practicalities of pursuing these things in the U.S.
vnewman
8/31/2016 5:40:43 PM
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Re: Foreign Content
@Ariella - It is an extremely long, difficult, tedious and expensive propostion to sue someone for any kind of IP infringement even domestically, let alone trying to extend that arm overseas.
When cases make it to trial, the laws are so complex, the juries have a hard time understanding the intricacies, especially when there is technology involved.
batye
9/5/2016 5:12:18 PM
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Re: Foreign Content
@vnewman interesting observation in Canada it become a big legal mess :)
Michelle
8/31/2016 4:35:57 PM
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Re: Foreign Content
@Ariella I've seen a few shows that are adapted for American audiences like that -- Of the ones I've seen, the British versions have been better shows.
Ariella
8/31/2016 5:13:20 PM
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@Michelle yes, orginals are usually better. I was thinking, though, that it may be possible to make an American version of "Travel Man" that highlights different American cities and what one should see in 48 hour or a weekend. Of course, no one can come close to the Richard Ayoade persona (pretty close to the character he played in "The IT Crowd" just with more polish and sophistication)>
Michelle
8/31/2016 9:04:08 PM
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Re: Foreign Content
@Ariella I haven't seen that one before. I'll have to check it out. Streaming content makes it so much easier to see new shows these days.
Ariella
9/1/2016 9:26:37 AM
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@Michelle absolutely. When I was a kid I don't recall any British shows other than the ones that were featured on PBS. Now you can access just about anything. Yet they still remake some British programs into American versions for some strange reason, as was the case with Broadchurch made into GracepPoint with a different killer reveal at the end.
Michelle
9/5/2016 2:32:55 PM
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Re: Foreign Content
@Ariella It's amazing how much our TV viewing has changed along as broadband becomes more available! Streaming TV wasn't something I could have imagined back in the AOL days of dial up.
Ariella
9/5/2016 4:48:22 PM
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@Michelle true, back then I used the net primarily for email and only really expanded my use in 2005 when I started blogging and put up my own site.
batye
9/5/2016 5:08:59 PM
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Re: Foreign Content
@Ariella for me internet from begining was a great tool to learn something new each day :) and it never stops...
Ariella
9/5/2016 7:53:29 PM
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@batye very true, though it also offers great opportunities for wasting time, so one must retain focus.
batye
9/5/2016 8:30:24 PM
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@Ariella thank you, like any technology it could be good or bad... I use it as learning tool of good :) whily trying to overlook bad....
batye
9/5/2016 5:11:14 PM
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@Michelle I do not know but in 2004 I did see few streaming independed movies online from no name art house... but only now this technology become main stream....
Michelle
8/31/2016 4:33:38 PM
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Re: Foreign Content
@Joe that's a great story! I would have liked to see that version of the show.
vnewman
8/31/2016 5:34:08 PM
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Re: Foreign Content
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery as the saying goes.
In theory most countries have signed on the Berne Convention, a treaty that states that if copyright exists in one of these countries, then this copyright is valid in all member countries who are signatories of it.
Russia is one of them. But then again, it is Russia we're talking about.
Access vs. Ownership
It's not actually that surprising when you think about it. Legal viewing of video content, too, tends to be toward streaming rather than "ownership." So too with just about everything else these days in our society where access is deemed much more important -- and even more convenient -- than actual ownership.
dlr5288
8/30/2016 2:02:26 PM
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Re: Access vs. Ownership
I agree! It's interesting to see how in today's world ownership isn't as important as it used to be. So it's not surprising that video piracy has moved from downloads to streaming..
batye
9/5/2016 5:13:37 PM
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@dlr5288 I think you are right, but changes in technology did change it :)
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