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DHagar
DHagar
10/24/2016 2:59:40 PM
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Re: Germany And IoT
@mpouraryan, my "doing it right" reference is made to the belief that the German companies will build into their science and IoT solutions the knowledge they have gained from having security hacks, etc.  So I believe that they will bring to the table a more informed view of the challenges to be overcome.

Clearly nothing is foolproof, but there are systems that provide a good balance of security.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
10/22/2016 10:44:58 PM
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Re: Or just a different tradition of management?
Germans have been able to pretty much carry Europe on their back as they hvae been at the forefront of innovation.   Sometimes being more reflective maybe a good thing.

Enjoyed the rat analogy--sure breaks the ice!!

 

 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
10/22/2016 10:42:12 PM
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Re: Or just a different tradition of management?
Mike Pouraryan,

Well, maybe. Or maybe they were just lucky; some areas of Asia were spared the worst of the Black Death because they thought you got it from eating cats (observation that places where cats were delicacies had worse cases of it). So as people stopped favoring a nice broiled haunch of kitty, the cat population exploded, the rat population declined, and voila! Less Black Plague. Clearly vindicating the theory!

Slightly more seriously, there's a balance to be struck. Tech and science policy gurus for a very long time have known that over the long run nations do better in any technical area if they are always 1) making state of the art stuff as well as it can be made currently, and 2) trying blue sky stuff that is probably too hard to do at this stage of tech development. The "corner solutions" of only doing 1 or only doing 2 don't work as well; if you only do #1 you eventually end up somewhere well back of the cutting edge with much expensive catching up to do, and if you only do 2 you chase down a lot of blind alleys, waste a lot of money, and get beaten by other people/companies/nations who pick up the pieces.

But where is that balance point? The theory guys have been sweating that issue for a long time, since at least just before WW2. You don't know how far you are from doing the seemingly impossible (11 years from being able to put something smaller than a clothes dryer into very low orbit to people walking on the moon, less than 4 years from stacking up bricks of uranium and graphite to see what would happen to dropping the atomic bomb, on one side; but controlled self-sustaining fusion and machines that really handle natural language have both been 5 years away for 60+ years). You don't know where the bottlenecks will be. You don't even really know how great the need is for your staid old-style "state of the art system" ultimately. So you're trying to estimate the tangent point of two curves whose parameters and dimensions are incompletely known.

The Germans (and British and Chinese) like to stay close to the known, comparatively; the Americans (and the French and Japanese) seem to like to take bigger leaps of faith. But as for who is right ... well, if you want to know who will be right in 50 years, wait 100 years and ask a historian.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
10/22/2016 10:27:39 PM
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Re: IOT with Germany
There is no question it has a lot to offer--and we all are part of the ecosystem already.   But we still are not ready--as the cyber attack clearly showed.    This is pretty scary:

http://virtualnewsbyte.com/2016/10/22/virtual-newsbyte-w-end-edition-cyber-security-cyber-attacks-yesterday/

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
10/22/2016 10:18:18 PM
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Re: Germany And IoT
I am curious about your view of "doing it right".     It seems as if those who wish to do harm will somehow try and make things miserable for us all no matter what defenses we pu up.

 

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
10/22/2016 10:14:23 PM
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Re: Or just a different tradition of management?
It clearly appears they were vindicated--were they not as the latest Cyber attack was focused on all things "ioT"--so maybe the Germans know something the rest of us don't--good thing I had my Wi-Fi Printer offline since Thursday. :) :) 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
10/21/2016 8:22:12 AM
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Or just a different tradition of management?
For historical and cultural reasons, Germany has tended to express its forward-thinking not in sweeping visions of the future but in taking the next step well. German managers tend to look ahead a decade but express their concerns by concentrating on what's in front of them. The IoT, right now, for good or ill, is mostly hype and potential, and there are doubtless more pressing things on the shop floor and in the boardroom at the moment. They rarely get left behind and they're often in the practical, i.e. actually working, lead, but they don't spend a lot of effort dreaming about things that are far off and indefinite. It might be no more than a stylistic difference; the Germans expect a manager to run thing well right now, the Americans (and others) expect vision and foresight.

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DHagar
DHagar
10/20/2016 4:06:36 PM
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Re: Germany And IoT
@srufolo1, I agree with your assessment.  If we remember, they were also a victim in the "hacked" emails for Angela Merkel in the revelations from Snowden.  They are probably very aware of the potential security risks.  My guess is when they get on board they will do it right.

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Itsmeshawn22
Itsmeshawn22
10/20/2016 1:40:01 PM
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Only 5% of German Companies Tapping Into IoT's Potential – Survey
As I was reading this article I was shocked about to hear Germany has fears on security protection. I also thought that Germany has a great security technology program.I was also shocked that only 5% of German manufacturs and logistic company's are tapping into IoT potential.

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afwriter
afwriter
10/19/2016 4:36:23 PM
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Re: Germany And IoT
I was really surprised when I read the headline, but when I got to the part about security fears I could kind of understand. I am still surprised that a country like Germany is still this slow in implimenting what can only be called the future of technology. 

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