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clrmoney
10/31/2016 11:04:30 AM
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Demanding more pay tv
I know we use pay tv for channels to purchase online etc. so I don't see what's the demand for when thay have a lot of customers. I think there they are better ways to work with than just pay tv.
dcawrey
10/31/2016 7:14:19 PM
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Re: Demanding more pay tv
This makes a lot of sense.
It seems no matter where it is I go, whether it is a AirBnB or hotel, I'm looking at my VoD options. Over the air content is messy, in that I have to start when it does and then it has a bunch of ads. This is why video on demand is just a superior option.
faryl
10/31/2016 11:49:48 PM
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Re: Demanding more pay tv
Seriously - between being limited to what time you have to watch something and then also having to sit through ads, there's little incentive to watch live TV anymore!
Ariella
11/1/2016 9:17:56 AM
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@faryl agreed, if you want to watch something, you usually want to choose a program you like and not just what happens to be on at that time.
OTT
I doubt we'll ever see the revenue that traditional pay TV services generated. And OTT has fragmented revenue. Will targeted ads across mobile and other streaming devices start to generate meaninful revenue soon? Is the revenue model better or worse overseas for OTT?
Adi
11/1/2016 11:09:22 AM
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@Mike - great question. Yes, video advertising is growing and there's a big push for programmatic ad insertion. In fact, video ads are a bright spot in Internet display advertising. But I think fragmentation in OTT will continue, so I don't think there's going to be a big winner. I do see that emerging markets, particularly APAC, are pushing "freemium" models more aggressively simply because paid services don't have much success there. So it's possible we will see more ad-based innovation in the region first.
batye
11/2/2016 1:48:23 PM
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Re: Demanding more pay tv
@faryl I stop watching tv over last 5 year... only my wife watching tv her crime shows :)
Stats
The average number of titles offered per month by pay-TV providers was 37,750, compared with 8,803 from Netflix Inc. (Nasdaq: NFLX) and 17,218 from Amazon.com Inc. (Nasdaq: AMZN) Interestingly, the number of Netflix titles has actually come down -- it was 9,635 last year.
These stats are pretty interesting. I also see that gap is not small when compared to Netflix and/or Amazon. For me this is very interesting as i don't belong to the crowd that thinks about pay-TV anytime.
Adi
10/31/2016 12:35:13 PM
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@ms. akkineni - its a good point. OTT is eating away at more traditional forms of consumption, but it's not quite as widespread or at least all-encompassing a phenomenon as it may seem from reports.
dlr5288
10/31/2016 6:33:15 PM
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For me personally I dont mind paying for Netflix because I enjoy it so much. I probably watch that more than regualr tv anyway.
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@dlr5288:
I belong to the same club. We enjoy lot of netflix at home.
dlr5288
10/31/2016 9:41:17 PM
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Re: Stats
I just think it's so much easier. If I do want to watch something on regular tv though I usually just watch it OnDemand.
VoD Vs Live
VoD is, however, eating into live viewing. Average minutes viewed per telecast tuned (essentially the length of time any single piece of content was viewed without changing channels or ending a VoD session) is 24 minutes for VoD and 16 minutes for live TV. I think that is at least somewhat affected by TV viewing behavior -- it is both faster and far more natural to flip channels than to start and end VoD sessions.
Very interesting distinguishion. Very impressive also.
Michelle
10/31/2016 3:57:13 PM
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No cords
Does there happen to be any data on those who only use streaming and on-demand? These folks have never had cable -- they do exist, right?
Adi
11/1/2016 11:06:11 AM
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Re: No cords
@Michelle - Yes, they certainly do. Pay TV penetration at its height was about 87% of the US household population, so about 13% didn't subscribe. Some of them were just in transition, i.e., moving homes. Others had very low household income and some were just not interested in TV. The rest, about 6-8% relied on broadcast TV. Today, that's about 82%, so lets say there's about 5% that have actively cut the cord. But under that top line number is a lot of change. Some of those households are new (students moving from parents to their own home, for example), others have added pay TV services and others have cut them. So there's also a lot of churn going on. That makes it difficult to come up with a really clear picture. But generally, younger, newer households are less likely to sign up for pay TV -- the so-called "cord-nevers".
Michelle
11/1/2016 2:09:55 PM
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Re: No cords
@Adi Thanks for all the data! I don't envy the groups keeping track of all this. We are certainly in a new era of entertainment...
In the future, I hope to see more data that details the impact of add-on cable channels to services like Amazon and Hulu. Sling TV's structure is similar to a cable company, but offers smaller bundles. Sling offers premium add-ons too. The interesection of hit shows with add-on offerings is especially interesting. We have access to far more data now than in the old days.
afwriter
11/1/2016 1:41:42 PM
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Shows Versus Movies
I am guilty of using VoD to watch shows if I don't have anything pre-recorded, but I refuse to rent movies through Pay Per View or VoD because they are so expensive.
Ariella
11/1/2016 3:24:23 PM
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< but I refuse to rent movies through Pay Per View or VoD because they are so expensive. > @afwriter but expensive is all relative. If you figure what it would cost to see the movie in a theater, particularly if several are going, than the Pay Per View price may appear reasonable. Also if what you want to see is only available there, then it may be worth the price. I'd think it's rather like the way I feel about books. Nearly all my reading material is checked out of the library at zero cost. But once in a rare while I really want to read a book that is not in my library's system, so I splurge on buying it.
batye
11/2/2016 1:43:23 PM
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Re: Shows Versus Movies
@Ariella I prefer it on DVD/BR/USB stick but I'm old school... in my mind I must own media I buy to watch it :) lol but it how my mind works... even with Windows 10 I still want to have it on DVD :) or USB stick :)
Ariella
11/2/2016 2:07:56 PM
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@batye I have no need to acquire a library of films. I have checked some DVDs out at my library, but frequently had problems with them. It doesn't seem to be a good format for something that will be handled by many people -- even though it doesn't require any rewinding like the old video tapes did.
batye
11/2/2016 2:16:45 PM
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@Ariella I see, I only handle DVD's plus for old dvd's I buy at garage sales I got special dvd resurfacing machine - hand cranking :) to buff the surface... but f dvd cracked it lost forever... with old cracked cd's I use trick from - http://smallbusiness.chron.com/repair-cracked-audio-cd-45954.html and try to transfer them to mp3 format to usb stick :)... plus I still have old LP and two LP players :)
Ariella
11/2/2016 2:20:00 PM
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@batye Well, LPs are considered retro cool now. My daughter has been asking for a player, oblivious to the fact that we possess no records. I recall my mother even unloaded one she had over a decade ago. Someone wanted to buy it because no record players were selling. But now that it's trendy, you can buy them. The same holds for Walkmans. The question is: will old cell phones have the same retro cache in decades to come?
batye
11/2/2016 2:24:43 PM
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@Ariella Amazon sells basic LP players :) - https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_5?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=lp+player&sprefix=lp+pl%2Caps%2C166&crid=2Y1GWK5PHHU19 under $45 usd lp you could still find them at yard sales.... I still use old nokia phone as battery last up to 10 -12 days :) plus if I drop it it make dent in the asphalt. - not a crack on the phone :) but it just me I love old technology...
mhhf1ve
11/3/2016 4:37:04 PM
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The LP revival reminds me that I saw a "laser reading" turntable not too long ago that did away with physical contact with the record. I'm not sure if it also dispensed with the need to spin the record, but it seems like there could be a solid state device immune to skipping that didn't use needles or rotating mechanisms to play a record. It wouldn't be analog, though.
batye
11/4/2016 3:06:39 AM
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@mhhf1ve this days good LP player with laser head cost almost like small car from $10.000 and up... I could only afford basic old style LP player... until I win lottery :) lol
mhhf1ve
11/3/2016 4:39:43 PM
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Retro music players like the hard drive iPods from the early 2000s are also making a comeback -- selling for hundreds on eBay. However, they're outfitted with modern storage technology so they can hold terabytes of music, not just a few megabytes or gigs.
batye
11/4/2016 3:13:01 AM
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@mhhf1ve my brother still using his old ipod... I use Microsoft Zune... almost the same model as sold out from last year on - http://www.dx.com/ru/p/genuine-zune-3-lcd-30gb-wifi-portable-digital-media-player-with-fm-tuner-white-28784#.WBwz_GsrI2w ... for the Zune I would not pay more than $30... as my Windows 7 LG phone have Zune build in by design :) but to each his own... also I do not recommend DX store as last time it took 3 (three) months to get screen protector from DX to Canada :(
mhhf1ve
11/4/2016 2:28:10 PM
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> "@mhhf1ve my brother still using his old ipod... I use Microsoft Zune..."
Wow. a Zune?!? How does that even work now? I thought MSFT turned off the ability to download new music when it ended Zune....
batye
11/4/2016 10:23:16 PM
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@mhhf1ve my Zune is still working and I could add my movies and my music here is a bit more info - https://www.wired.com/2015/09/what-to-do-with-your-zune-rip-zune/
mhhf1ve
11/5/2016 1:22:46 AM
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Was the zune significantly cheaper back in the day? I forget the second place MP3 player maker.. Creative?
Maybe your Zune will be a collector's item someday. Too bad you didn't leave it in its original packaging..
batye
11/5/2016 2:05:23 AM
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@mhhf1ve I got zune for $30 on clerance....still have original packaging somewhere in the basement :)
mhhf1ve
11/6/2016 1:09:28 AM
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Ok. Wow. Do you have an Amazon Fire phone, too? I think those smartphones were quite the bargain after they flopped. I wonder if there will be (or is) a tech museum of all the failed gadgets.
batye
11/6/2016 1:36:13 AM
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@mhhf1ve I'm waiting until Amazon put out referb one for uder $20.... :) lol
mhhf1ve
11/6/2016 1:45:58 AM
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Ha! Which is a better deal: a refurb Fire phone or a refurb Windows phone? At least with the Fire phone, you might be able to side load somewhat recent android apps...
batye
11/6/2016 12:30:55 PM
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@mhhf1ve I would say Amazon phone.... but to each his own :)
mhhf1ve
11/3/2016 4:43:26 PM
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Re-surfacing DVDs sounds like an interesting repair job... I wonder how long DVD players will continue to be manufactured. I thought VCRs recently stopped being produced? So it makes me wonder how long optical media will survive... Even if tech like m-discs still exist.
Ariella
11/3/2016 4:48:01 PM
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@mhhf1ve so they're new and improved versions of old technology. We like retro style but still want modern conveniences.
mhhf1ve
11/3/2016 5:02:01 PM
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I'm not sure how cassette tapes can ever be made more modern or convenient. Not being able to skip songs instantly is the fatal flaw. At least with records, you can pick up the needle and drop it wherever you want. The benefit of creating a "mixtape" is now available with any digital music...
So 8-tracks are never coming back...?
Ariella
11/3/2016 5:10:32 PM
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@mhhf1ve I'm no expert. I just looked up its Wikipedia entry, which ends with a "decline and demise" heading that is not followed by a "revitalization" one. It does mention that some artists do still use the format, but it's not by any means mainstream now:
Some independent artists still release eight-track tapes, such as the US band RTB2, who released We Are a Strange Man in 2011.[15] Also, bands sometimes release eight-tracks as special releases; for example, The Melvins released a limited-time, live eight-track album,[16] Cheap Trick issued a limited edition version of their album The Latest on the format on June 23, 2009,[17] and power electronics solo artist Waves Crashing Piano Chords has released multiple eight-track tapes since 2012, as well as starting an eight-track tape label, H8-Track Stereo. In the book Journals, Kurt Cobain wrote about wanting to release Nirvana's album In Utero as an 8-track tape, but this never happened.[citation needed]
mhhf1ve
11/3/2016 5:40:04 PM
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This reminds me of a debate I heard about obsolete technologies -- and how few technologies are ever really completely obsolete. Some people still use abacuses. But no one still uses radioactive glow-in-the-dark paint. I think 8tracks might fall closer to abacuses -- just because I also know some people who swear by vacuum tube amplifiers.
Ariella
11/3/2016 6:43:04 PM
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@mhhf1ve Supposedly those who know how to use an abacus can results almost as quickly as a calculator. And it requires no battery, which is always a plus. However, though they are equally independent of power sources, slide rules seem to have fallen out of favor altogether. There was some new design introduced this century, but the market for such thing had moved on to computers. But it used to be the symbol of an engineer. Looking up the Wikipedia page on that yielded this 1951 ad for IBM: -- a sea of white males graspoing slide rules.
mhhf1ve
11/3/2016 6:53:07 PM
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Ariella, I'm not sure I know how to use a slide rule or an abacus properly... so I'll have to go on YouTube and look up how now.. Isn't technology great? :P
It's really amazing that 1951 wasn't that long ago.. and yet so much stuff has changed. (And let's keep America as great as it is....)
batye
11/4/2016 3:51:12 AM
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@mhhf1ve few years ago I did chat with Russian astronaut or Tovarish Kosmonaft :) and he told me - during his training few years ago on old space station stimulator they have old technology like scientific abacus :) and other old tech like dip switches.... go figure....
batye
11/4/2016 3:45:48 AM
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batye
11/4/2016 3:39:21 AM
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@mhhf1ve I remember few years ago it was a big hype tube build into motherboard audio - http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/aopentube/ :)
mhhf1ve
11/4/2016 2:32:35 PM
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I can't say I understand why some people think vacuum tube amps are better, but I'm impressed at the efforts expended to keeping vac tubes alive and functional. I suppose when the alien EMPs knock out all of our electronics, those audiophiles might still be able to listen to their favorite tunes while civilization crumbles....
batye
11/4/2016 10:24:52 PM
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@mhhf1ve interesting point about end of days... for me I prefer old technology as this is what I could afford it... but to each his own :)
batye
11/4/2016 3:20:26 AM
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@mhhf1ve in my city in charity store I did see from time to time action for 8-tracks tapes in the batches of 10-8-tracks tapes and bids starts from $20 and up :)
batye
11/4/2016 3:17:49 AM
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@Ariella I did see cases where people commision craftsman to put new technology in the old wooden case creating old look with new technology...
Ariella
11/4/2016 8:54:46 AM
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@Batye true, and you can pay a premium price for keyboards and cases made out of wood. see http://usa.oreeartisans.com/. Also some people pay to have traditional typewriters work with their computers as per this Etsy item.
batye
11/4/2016 12:15:29 PM
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@Ariella yes, it like old becoming new - new hype again :)
batye
11/4/2016 3:15:36 AM
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@mhhf1ve I think for a long time as Military uses them :)... just few years ago Canadian army switch from VHS to DVD for training videos - what I heard....
batye
11/2/2016 1:47:04 PM
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@afwriter thanks for sharing... my wife uses sat box pvr to record shows during viewing... but with only 300GB hard drive inside sat motorola box... I keep deleting them as we run out of space.... :(...
kasstri
11/5/2016 11:18:03 AM
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For me personally I dont mind paying for Netflix because I enjoy it so much. I probably watch that more than regualr tv anyway.
mhhf1ve
11/6/2016 1:13:43 AM
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The question, though, is at what point will Netflix subscribers cease to think it is worth the price -- when there are far fewer movies and no blockbuster movies available. Will Netflix original programming really be worth $9/mo?
mhhf1ve
11/6/2016 1:47:58 AM
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Who watches "regular" linear TV anymore? I'm waiting to see what happens when DVR patents run out and time shifting is much more popular.
batye
11/6/2016 12:57:08 PM
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@mhhf1ve yes it would be interesting to see how digital media distribution and pvr recording get affected...
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