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DHagar
DHagar
11/2/2016 10:07:08 PM
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Re: Unite on Open Space?
@Mike, great idea in starting with a Catalyst project to prove value and build trust and confidence - two key elements to get the politics and culture right.  This is how you truly change and transform the systems/

Sounds like great progress - congratulations.  The group hug and "cumbayah" are next!

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Adi
Adi
11/3/2016 7:08:13 AM
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Standard of standards
This sounds like such a good idea that it's surprising it hasn't been done before, by other industry groups. Especially if these are largely complementary, as they say. I suspect there will be challenges once they start getting into the details of the process. 

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Mike Robuck
Mike Robuck
11/3/2016 10:27:06 AM
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Re: Standard of standards
I agree Adi and Deborah. This does seem like a no-brainer. And it should be able to move forward more quickly than the standards bodies, and adapt going forward. It all comes down to the level of cooperation. 

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DHagar
DHagar
11/3/2016 1:42:01 PM
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Re: Standard of standards
@Mike, sounds like an opportunity for new advances.  I fully agree with the level of progress being tied to cooperation - that is one of the big roadblocks to new alliances.  It breaks down when players try to exert control (ie standards) as opposed to building information/knowledge and new platforms from which to solve common problems.  An entirely new way of operating.

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DHagar
DHagar
11/3/2016 1:36:52 PM
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Re: Standard of standards
@Adi, Very true - but at least they will have a common starting point.  Each step will be an opportunity to advance - and it is a building process.

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clrmoney
clrmoney
11/3/2016 10:48:32 AM
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Open sources unites with others
This is great for Open Source to unite like ONOS Open daylight etc. so lets see how it turns out.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/3/2016 2:40:41 PM
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Hmm. not much overlap?
> "...the various entities learned that there wasn't that much overlap between the open source communities, and that most of them were actually complementary..."

Hmm. But what happened to the work that is actually in direct competition? Does that not count towards "overlap"? Or are people saying that there is no competition at all between these projects and overlap is non-existent.. and everyone can just complement and cooperate with each other...? Hmm. Sounds more like no one really wants to work together, reading between the lines.

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DHagar
DHagar
11/3/2016 5:39:14 PM
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Re: Hmm. not much overlap?
@mhhf1ve - your assessment sounds realistic.  In today's environment even if you are willing to collaborate each entity has typically built their own design - so that when you go to align there are natural disconnects - and that is when we want to collaborate.

Your point may be accurate, when we don't truly want to collaborate we can just proclaim that we are - with full knowledge that everyone is operating in their own space.  Unless you truly work through the issues you can't know where the barriers are and then make the choices that will really align with open source.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/3/2016 6:58:15 PM
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Re: Hmm. not much overlap?
Hopefully, though, various open source projects can actually figure out a way to work together instead of just proclaiming that they are (while actually working independently and saying their work has "no overlap").

The underlying problem is that these open source projects have different goals (and sources of funding...), so it's difficult for them to truly work together and still accomplish what they're trying to do (which sometimes is.. to create a standard and community that is beneficial to a specific company).

As I've often heard: nothing is truly altruistic.

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Ariella
Ariella
11/3/2016 7:21:01 PM
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Re: Hmm. not much overlap?
@mhhf1ve excellent point. As for this: <As I've often heard: nothing is truly altruistic> when it comes to businesses, I'd say it's true. Even when they do something that appears altruistic, the powers that be are also concious of what they are going to get out of it -- a tax deduction, improved reputation, additional goodwill, and even higher rankings from companies like Bloomberg that look at ESG factors.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/3/2016 7:32:20 PM
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Re: Hmm. not much overlap?
> "Even when they do something that appears altruistic, the powers that be are also concious of what they are going to get out of it..."

Exactly. Google/Alphabet has dropped its "do no evil" mantra.. and its commitment to open source is mostly to build up a community of coders who are loyal to Google's platforms -- which increase Google's mindshare/marketshare in the realms of AI and software development in general.... 

However, none of this is explicit, but I wish press releases would at least acknowledge the self-serving benefits... 

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Ariella
Ariella
11/3/2016 8:27:00 PM
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Re: Hmm. not much overlap?
@mhhf1ve The people who write those releases are delivering what companies want. The powers that be at the companies aren't interested in sharing the nuanced reality of what they're doing -- just proclaiming their own greatness. Some of them are so stuck in that box of self-promotion that they fail at content marketing because they only know how to direct marketing that hypes what they're doing rather than providing real information that can be useful and so makes improves their own standing as an authority on the subject that people can turn to.

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DHagar
DHagar
11/4/2016 1:39:55 PM
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Re: Hmm. not much overlap?
@mhhf1ve - absolutely - if it does not produce new value it will not work.

It is a "new" challenge.  The best model I have heard of is where you have independent platforms that form a ecosystem that with the new unified goals increase the relevance of each entity's own separate digital platform.  Now we have to figure better ways of doing that.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/4/2016 2:22:13 PM
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Re: Hmm. not much overlap?
> " independent platforms that form a ecosystem..."

DHagar, so what groups are using this model? (If you're inclined to tell)

 

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DHagar
DHagar
11/4/2016 8:17:45 PM
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Re: Hmm. not much overlap?
@mhhf1ve - sure!  There are regional collaborations among cities and/or in use of infrastructure (ie Austin with Transportation Coalition), and then in the industry space - one is healthcare HIMSS.  In terms of vendors, as we see on Telco Transformation - the players working towards Open Source are the examples and you see new collaborations with Open Source platforms by the major companies - IBM is moving Watson to the cloud and creating Dev Ops capabilities.

So it is clearly not yet the trend - but there are signs that the innovators are leading the pack and moving us this direction.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
11/6/2016 1:45:33 PM
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Re: Hmm. not much overlap?
It makes sense the telcos need to be able to provide some organization to open source in this particular industry. 

This is such a big undertaking that there needs to be some cooperation and orchestration in order for it all to work. 

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DHagar
DHagar
11/7/2016 5:34:29 PM
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Re: Hmm. not much overlap?
@dcawrey, well that's truly it.  You either can remain in charge of your isolated domain or connect with the opportunities in open source. 

I think the internet, and now the cloud, have introduced us to the value of collaboration - I don't think we will return to the old day.s

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dlr5288
dlr5288
11/30/2016 7:33:42 PM
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Re: Hmm. not much overlap?
I completely agree! I think being able to collaborate and bring products together for the better of the both of them is an awesome thing.

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DHagar
DHagar
11/30/2016 8:01:34 PM
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Re: Hmm. not much overlap?
@dir5288, thanks!  Collaboration is essential to truly establishing an ecosystem as well - which seems to be the winning transformational platform.  It is hard but very rewarding.

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Itsmeshawn22
Itsmeshawn22
11/4/2016 10:07:44 PM
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Seen & Heard: TM Forum Seeks to Unite Open Source
I thought is article was interesting because it was very well explained and very facts and really detailed about the TM forum. I was shock about the number size groups they had in the meeting. I really enjoyed this article.

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batye
batye
11/4/2016 10:28:50 PM
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Re: Seen & Heard: TM Forum Seeks to Unite Open Source
@Itsmeshawn22 yes, as we are here to share and learn :) collaboration and sharing knowledge is the key :) 


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