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Ariella
12/21/2016 3:27:59 PM
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@Joe interesting, I wonder if they will be transparent about the extent of the impact.
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@mhh: I'm aware of/familiar with the AMZN Mechanical Turks but have not participated in or contracted with the program. (Some critiques I've seen here (link) and here (link)).
That said, because of the grueling workload of an active participant -- who typically gets paid pennies per pop ($0.02 to $0.10) -- I tend to think you may, for some especially topical cartoons, face a certain barrier in finding enough participants who are familiar enough with the subject matter of the vertical, replete with background and subtleties. (We are a rather niche community, after all, are we not?)
Or, to put it another way, I humbly posit that you get what you pay for.
But you seem to be much more familiar with it? What has your experience been? Would you say that my gut reaction is too ignorant/cynical? I'd like to learn more.
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@Mike: Granted, I'm a contributor to this very issue, but it's worth considering that she sheer *volume* of entries makes asking community members to vote fairly, judiciously, and equitably on what may be close to 100 entries inherently problematic, in my estimation.
For this reason, I reiterate my suggestion of a judge or judging panel that at least unilaterally decides a shortlist for voting -- if not decides the winners outright.
(What about tossing the artist -- since it is his work, after all -- a couple extra bucks to have to read all the entries (anonymized, if that is deemed helpful) and create a shortlist? (J. Klossner did this on at least one occasion, yes?) Then you as the judge, or a judging panel, or the voters would have a MUCH easier and more realistic task at hand.
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> What about a similar requirement that if you put in an entry you also have to vote?
This could go either way. It could result in better results. Or it could result in 9-way ties among subpar entries as people "waste" their required vote.
(Disclaimer, incidentally: I stand by every vote I've made as a vote for a caption that genuinely made me laugh. As a lawyer, I'm just naturally inclined to see perverse incentives and risks that exist in proposals.)
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@Ariella: Relatedly, the New Yorker Cartoon Caption Contest recently started inviting people to "assess"/vote on captions before the three finalists, asking them to weigh whether a caption is "funny" or "not funny". I am given to believe that this taken into some degree of consideration in selecting the finalists, although I am not sure what that degree is, exactly.
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@Mike: In theory, the thumbs up/thumbs down mechanism is a great way to do this.
In theory.
In practice: I am aware of a site that has a mechanism and uses users' upvotes/downvotes on its own contests. Inevitably, trolls et alia thumb everything down. In my experience, it is very rare to see an entry older than a day or two that ranks above a 33%.
Not that that would necessarily happen here -- but it is a risk that one opens oneself up to.
Ariella
12/21/2016 9:53:51 AM
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@Mike I know the thumbs up and down are already in place, but I'd think you coul probably swap out a stars ranking for the captions to allow more gradations and a range of numbers to be added up rather than a single positive or negative for each vote.
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@Ariella, I think someone mentioned using the "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" as a way to determine the caption winners. Ideally we would come up with something that doesn't cost a lot, or take up a bunch of time.
Ariella
12/20/2016 2:03:42 PM
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@Mike I wonder if it's possible to get the voting done by having people who are active members of the community rank the captions on a system of 1 -5 or 1-10, and the one with the highest number at the end of a couple of weeks wins.
dmendyk
12/20/2016 11:40:31 AM
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And we're told elections can't be hacked. Put this one up with Boaty McBoatface as Exhibits A and B.
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