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clrmoney
12/13/2016 3:18:26 PM
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Containers have to offer
The part like the libraries, system tools, runtime is very interesting for containers and they said it can speed up testing is great.
Ariella
12/13/2016 5:42:50 PM
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@Mike love the title. It conjures up an image for me somewhat like this 
Progress appears to be all about more virtualization.
Re: Containers have to offer
Ariella, I couldn't find a good rose/thorn image to run with the story. Guess I didn't look long enough. So at some point we'll write about the other container offerings that are out there. Always more to do on the virtualization front.
Ariella
12/14/2016 11:08:26 AM
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@Mike and that's great for us, as we have the opportunity to come here and learn about these new virtualization developments, watching the roses bloom, so to speak, which does top watching grass grow.
mhhf1ve
12/15/2016 10:25:19 PM
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Given that containers are all about portability, I have to wonder how many different flavors of containers can survive in the market? And if any can survive as completely proprietary or closed source packages.. It's interesting to see the trend of containers making the hardware a competitive advantage again.
DHagar
12/13/2016 7:09:40 PM
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@clrmoney - it truly is a different architecture. I am also thinking that it provides a basis for better operational standards - through the container design.
As with all the new technology designs - more systems focused - the key will be the mental mindsets to design and use with the full capabilities of the new models.
dcawrey
12/20/2016 7:40:39 PM
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The fact that containers can be easily moved without a lot of disruption to what they can do is really appealing.
I think it's taken some time for people to really understand the power of containers - but they are going to become more popular than VMs sometime soon - in my opinion.
DHagar
12/20/2016 9:05:34 PM
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@dcawrey, good prediction. I believe you are correct. We are learning the power of design and modular use that builds new effective configurations. It truly can be powerful.
google
""In a container, we're expected to run on top of whatever operating system package that the particular customer selected. The good news is in general that works. But in specific, everyone wants to know exactly what performance they are going to get and the security compliance. We can't verify that until we know what you're actually going to run on that so it creates a verification issue.""
I remember seeing something a while ago about Google using containers to keep their cloud customers information secure and segregated from each other and from Google's own systems. Definitely good for security. What do they mean by security compliance" here?
mhhf1ve
12/15/2016 10:14:53 PM
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Simulations within simulations...
> "everyone wants to know exactly what performance they are going to get and the security compliance. We can't verify that until we know what you're actually going to run on that so it creates a verification issue..."
I vaguely recall some early adopters looking into running simulations of their environments and then adding in "Chaos monkeys" into the mix to test the security in a semi-controlled way.
JohnBarnes
12/17/2016 2:30:31 PM
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Seems like part of the ongoing challenge to the idea of "architecture" at all
The purpose of IT/IS/Information Departments is to control information flow and processing (largely by providing it) because modern businesses depend on information, and the whole history of business is a struggle to harness (i.e. control) production processes, so the logical thing to do as information went from a minor (but vital) to a major (and overwhelming) component was to try to put handles and controls on it. Same thing that happened with finance, marketing, legal, and other once-small, now-big areas.
The difference is, information by its nature flows and functions best in less-controlled, more-flexible settings. So the logic of information itself is on the side of virtualization and flexibility -- and containers are just one more step into virtualization/flexibility, of course, but they are also another step away from the idea of a centrally directed architecture.
But if it's not centrally directed, is it an architecture at all? Isn't it becoming more of an ecology?
mhhf1ve
12/18/2016 9:09:49 PM
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Re: Seems like part of the ongoing challenge to the idea of "architecture" at all
> "is it an architecture at all? Isn't it becoming more of an ecology?"
Well, even ecologies can be managed a bit, so that things aren't unbalanced by unnatural forces -- though if that's called an architecture or some kind of systems management may be debated. And I suppose is arguable that humans don't do a very good job of managing complex ecosystems.... (especially when we deny scientific evidence?)
JohnBarnes
12/18/2016 9:22:23 PM
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Re: Seems like part of the ongoing challenge to the idea of "architecture" at all
Mhhf1ve,
Yep, it's a big broad blurry zone. But as control devolves more and more to end users it becomes less like control and more like management or cultivation. We're definitely creeping further into the gray area. I'm guessing containers will take us much further into it.
mhhf1ve
12/19/2016 5:20:38 PM
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Re: Seems like part of the ongoing challenge to the idea of "architecture" at all
I think you're right that the trend is away from some top-down architecture and towards more organically-developed protocols that have simple rules that lead to more and more complex functions -- just like nature/biology/ecology. It's a good analogy since we don't understand biology that well, and pretty soon we won't understand how our networks operate. Let's just hope that when our artificial networks catch a "cold" that we can still inject patches to get things "healthy" again....
JohnBarnes
12/19/2016 8:04:59 PM
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Re: Seems like part of the ongoing challenge to the idea of "architecture" at all
Mhhf1ve,
Or we just learn to do what nature does with long term infections -- live with them, adapt to them, eventually start using them for our own purposes.
Ariella
12/20/2016 1:48:51 PM
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Re: Seems like part of the ongoing challenge to the idea of "architecture" at all
@johnBarnes when you get to that point, is that what justifies saying, "It's not a bug; it's a feature?"
JohnBarnes
12/20/2016 2:12:29 PM
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Re: Seems like part of the ongoing challenge to the idea of "architecture" at all
Ariella,
Absolutely. I think you can fairly say that in an ecology/management/evolutionary world there are no bugs -- just underexploited features and options we'd rather turn off.
Ariella
12/20/2016 2:20:18 PM
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Re: Seems like part of the ongoing challenge to the idea of "architecture" at all
LOL @JohnBarnes It's all too true about a lot of the tracking we open ourselves up to in our online and mobile activity.
Containers: Roses & Thorns
I am glad that I read this article because I was trying to find information about the CNV. I thought this article was very helpful because it explained the importance such as communications service providers move more virtualized functions to the cloud and they become more focused on the applications, and they are making the containers are going to be expected to play a leading role. This article will help everyone with the carriers such as AT&T and Verizon because the company's are both looking for containers to also speed up their virtualization efforts.
Containers: Roses & Thorns
I personally found this article interesting and very helpful. The most appealing part of this article I found is that you are able to move the containers around without a lot of hassle. The information about CNV is very helpful and the importance to all communication service providers. It might rake some time for people to really understand the power of this all. This will be great in the future and make everything more easier.
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