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clrmoney
clrmoney
12/26/2016 12:28:28 PM
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IOT rises continues
I'm not surprised with Internet of Things have a lot to offer and with them saying they will have connected devices by 2020 is great for them and customers.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
12/26/2016 10:57:00 PM
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Re: IOT rises continues
30 billion connected devices is a lot by 2020!

Yes, this is a positive for IoT. However, what's problematic is the fact that many of these devices are not secure. I hope that devices being bulit today are provisioned with better security than previously. 

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afwriter
afwriter
12/27/2016 12:17:13 AM
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Re: IOT rises continues
@dcawrey, you and me both, but we both know that they are not (and will not) be more secure until there is some uniformity and regualtion in the industry. 

I am always astounded by these numbers, then I think about how many connected devices my family of 4 already has (just added 2 more over the holiday) it makes sense that there would be so many. 

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faryl
faryl
12/30/2016 12:21:45 AM
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Re: IOT rises continues
Right? I think some IoT functionality is going to "sneak up" on consumers - companies are going to start incorporating IoT enhancements into existing products/services without marketing it as such. That is, they'll sell customers on the new improvements & capabilities without getting into the technology or using buzzwords on how they're accomplished. For example, I don't think my mom would be very comfortable with everything a "smart home" entails, but I don't know that she'd see an Echo and think "internet of things", so much as a non-mobile Siri.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
12/27/2016 2:36:54 PM
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Re: IOT rises continues
dcawrey, I suspect that so many of the IoT functions that people actually want will turn out to require loose security that you'll see a general decline of security, with people deciding that things like privacy and petty free-riding just don't matter as much. The more interesting problem will be how people will react when something they regard as a serious threat emerges -- I suppose a general clampdown is possible then, but I think it is more likely that people will just accept worse and worse security as the entry fee for the modern world.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
12/28/2016 4:43:31 PM
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Re: IOT rises continues
@JohnBarnes There's just always going to be that delicate balance between security and ease of use. However, I'm starting to see some really great solutions to this problem. Apple's use of fingerprints to access the iPhone I think is a great example. They really pulled that off well, and it's been underrated what they've done there. 

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freehe
freehe
12/29/2016 9:53:47 PM
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Re: IOT rises continues
@dcawrey, I agree. Apple is doing great work, unfortunately most companies don't view security in the same manner.

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freehe
freehe
12/29/2016 10:00:16 PM
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Re: IOT rises continues
I am curious how the increase of IoT connected devices by 2020 willl affect the U.S. and global economy as well as the U.S. job market since many U.S. companies have sent jobs overseas.

IoT connected devices by 2020 have the potential to create a strong economy for the U.S. for all income level Americans if jobs are brought back to the U.S. and will allow the U.S. to compete with other countries in terms of technological advances and STEM.

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freehe
freehe
12/29/2016 10:02:04 PM
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IOT Unlocking Potential
I believe the prediction may be accurate since the average consumer have at least two connected devices. At one time I had 7 connected portable devices so this prediction seems doable.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
12/31/2016 1:16:38 PM
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Re: IOT rises continues
@freehe I would have to argue that companies, especially big consumer players, are paying a lot of attention to security. Google certainly has. Apple is doing so. Facebook? Not entirely sure, but I certainly don't see a lot of spam and scam stuff on the site. 

The companies that ultimately don't care about security are going to end up having problems. 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
12/29/2016 10:07:02 PM
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Re: IOT rises continues
dcawrey,

Definitely that has been underrated!

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
12/29/2016 10:12:44 PM
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Re: IOT rises continues
dcawrey,

I think it's more of a triangle -- ease of use, capability, and security -- and very often the combination of ease of use and capability will beat security.  Think about the ecological equivalents: all the animals that live in predator ranges (because the grazing is better there -- i.e. ease of use, and/or resources are available that aren't available elsewhere), and all the things your immune system tolerates (because it's cheaper in energy and wear and tear to spend a few days getting over a cold, while sneezing and spreading it around, than it is to suddenly plunge into a coma, run a super high temperature, and exterminate every microbe that doesn't have a pass key, even though the latter might get you over the cold in three hours). Philosophically you're probably right, but inertia and evolution beat philosophy every time!

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freehe
freehe
12/29/2016 10:04:21 PM
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Re: IOT rises continues
@JohnBarnes, I think consumers will always be concerned about security but many are frustrated and their complaints have not been heard, addressed or resolved so consumers will reach a point where they get tired of fighting companies to improve security and accept the security risks but you better believe if a security risk occurs companies will need to address it immediately or experience churn.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
12/30/2016 11:22:57 PM
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Re: IOT rises continues
freehe,

Sure. But once the company experiences churn, does it handle the churn the way a pilot might handle brief turbulence ("already flew through that, smooth air now, be careful but keep going"); or the way health authorities handle a new pathogen ("all right, now we have to make sure that pretzels are heated for at least three minutes before being eaten, so that Pretzelaria won't cause people's hair to fall out"); or the way mothers handle obsessions by their children ("that's nice, dear, you know, if you feel that way about tuba, maybe next year you should go out for band").

My guess: we'll just accept a larger fox population in all our henhouses. Our lives are already unimaginably less private than those of our ancestors in the 1920s, for example. They used to print my social security number on my gradecards in college, and my first ATM card told me to "pick a PIN that is easy to remember, like AAAA or 1234, since it is very unlikely anyone will guess it on three tries."

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freehe
freehe
12/29/2016 9:51:56 PM
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Re: IOT rises continues
@dcawrey, I hope so to but I can almost guarantee that security is not a major priority. I worked on an IT security team with security experts and we were still behind 4 or 5 versions for O/S patches.

Security will not be a priority for companies until major fines or consequences are implemented.

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faryl
faryl
12/30/2016 12:15:32 AM
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Re: IOT rises continues
I agree. I also hope the desire to advance the IoT doesn't get in the way of educating consumers about security concerns. People seem to not give much consideration to the kind of data that needs to be collected & processed for basic functionality, much less give thought to how it's used, if it's stored, what's transmitted to whom, etc.

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Itsmeshawn22
Itsmeshawn22
12/28/2016 11:03:40 PM
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IoT: Unlocking the Potential
I am glad the IOT is up-stepping the process of terraforming the landscape for both business and consumers. I can't wait to see the finish of all the work and challenges. I can't believe it could generate up $11.1 a year in economic value in 2025. I honestly agree with IOT and the future awaits.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
12/29/2016 7:15:47 PM
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Re: IoT: Unlocking the Potential
@Itsmeshawn22 "Terraforming the landscape" is an interesting concept. While I would agree that is probably going to happen, it's going to take a long time. The low hanging fruit for IoT comes from businesses that can achieve cost efficiency by these implementations. 

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