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vnewman
vnewman
12/29/2016 5:02:18 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@JohnBarnes - True that it is close, but it is not there yet and two human qualities that will always be lacking: common sense and instinct.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
12/29/2016 4:42:33 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
It has been an interesting discourse (and that's putting it mildly) as we look to 2017--I would humbly suggest that we're in the era of the "thinking Machines" already as underscored by this from Tesla reported by the Sydney Morning Herald:

Tesla predicts crash, applies brakes in dash-cam footage

BY HUDSON HONGO

Since Tesla released Version 8.0 of its Autopilot system this winter, CEO Elon Musk has touted its lifesaving potential. Today, dashcam footage from the Netherlands showed just how powerful the new safety feature can be.

 We've arrived at this juncture--whether we like it or not.

We have some big-timea adaption we have to do as humans-don't we folks as we continue to figure out how to live thru this transformative age we live in?

Onward to #2017 folks...and let's do remain hopeful despite the odds!!!



Happy New Year to All.."See" you all next year :) :) 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
12/29/2016 2:36:09 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
Vnewman, Machines may never think, per se, but for business purposes that genuinely doesn't matter because the math they can already do is getting very close to surpassing human thought in value added. The software that is beating chess (and more recently go) masters now learns mainly by playing against itself, and its strategic methods appear to be beyond human understanding. Optimization algorithms developed by machine learning do better at engineering design and investment decisions than highly intelligent human beings with decades of experience. Those creative thinky jobs? Next on the block.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
12/29/2016 2:20:48 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
Vnewman, Well, let's just start with the final point you make. You seem to think that work should be a source of personal and emotional satisfaction the way it is for writers, designers, or software engineers. But for most of history for most people, work is a source of stuff, the stuff which people live their lives with. Okay, you'd rather create than spend several hours a day pulling a handle or lifting boxes. But for billions of people worldwide, that is how there gets to be food on the table, a roof over the house, and time to enjoy with family and friends. So it doesn't matter that they lose that job because you wouldn't want to do it?

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Michelle
Michelle
12/29/2016 1:43:06 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@VN You're probably right about that. Robots taking over lower-level jobs might be welcome if former human workers have the opportunity to do more meaningful work instead. I wonder if any of the Luddites came to regret crashing machinery.

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vnewman
vnewman
12/29/2016 1:06:01 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@Ariella - I like your analogy - Advancements in technology have been affecting the way we work for over 200 years.  Think of how agriculture was mechanized.  The industrial revolution brought significant changes to the textile industry - scared for their jobs, the Luddites were destroying Power Looms.  Until Robots can think, and they can't - yet - they can only do math - they will be relegated to the lower rungs of the job hierarchy, where personally, I don't think anyone really wants to be.

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Ariella
Ariella
12/29/2016 11:30:41 AM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@JohnBarnes your response reminds me of the way the 2005 version of  Charlies and the Chocolate Factory set up the family's situation. Machines made the father lose his job, but then he got hired back to fix the machines. In reality, though, as you say, this is not the way things go. Even if one person could get that particular job, the machines are put in place to replace many more people who are unlikely to all find jobs at other places tending to machines because that requires different skills from the ones they have and only require very few people. 

In the course of reseraching for some blogs on manufacturing, I spoke with Nigel Southway twice, and he also made the point that country's economy is based on industry:  

You can't sustain a service economy without a manufacturing component because of the ratios of the economy. Each "manufacturing job creates the need for 3 service jobs," so a cut in the former translates into a triple loss in the latter with devastating effects on a nation's economy. 

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dchampagne70
dchampagne70
12/29/2016 9:27:03 AM
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Huawei
Everyone always blames technology, but I don't think technology is the one to blame in this case.  There are so many different government reasons why.  loT should have more advanced security, so we do not keep hearing about the different security breaches.  In the future, it would actually be great if we could work hand and hand with all this technology.

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vnewman
vnewman
12/28/2016 6:55:04 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
That may be the case, but I don't think you can blame that all on technology - there are various political- and government- induced reasons for that as well.  I'm not trying to paint an overly-rosy picture, but rather just being optimistic that the jobs that require higher-level thinking aren't going anywhere.  

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
12/28/2016 5:03:58 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
Your warning is right on--as it was proven with the DDOS attack last year.   No doubt....

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