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dcawrey
dcawrey
12/30/2016 5:48:25 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@faryl That movie did a great job humanizing Turing. I thought it was a great interpretation. 

Sometimes it is tough to tackle technical topics in Hollywood movies - it's often a gamble whether audiences will get it. But The Imitation Game pulled it off. 

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Michelle
Michelle
12/30/2016 5:18:11 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@faryl That's really interesting. I have heard of the movie, but never seen it myself. I wonder what Turing would think of our technologies today.

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faryl
faryl
12/30/2016 5:11:22 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
I just watched the "Imitation Game" and the concept that "intelligence" and "thought" don't necessarily need to mimic human intelligence & thought really stuck with me.

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Michelle
Michelle
12/30/2016 4:35:50 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@faryl We're missing out on educational opportunities for sure. Apprenticeship opportunities should be as abundant as internships. The traditional college education doesn't suit every learner. 

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faryl
faryl
12/30/2016 4:29:10 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
Switzerland has an apprentice-geared education system as well. I agree - the American education system doesn't really lend itself to learning a trade or even practical, hands-on skills in general. We used to have internships to somewhat bridge that gap, but even that's morphed into more like temporary corporate job placement these days.

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vnewman
vnewman
12/30/2016 2:57:55 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@JohnBarnes - And to clarify, I'm not saying we don't ever get there - I just feel like what we are seeing now as a reality is still limited by the contraints of a bunch of programmers, which is not the essense of thinking as - to use a legal term - "a reasonable man" would define it.  I do see what you are saying though.

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vnewman
vnewman
12/30/2016 12:51:31 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@faryl - And this is where we could stand to take a few lessons from Germany where they offer tremendous apprentice programs to teach highly specialized skills or trades. Education in America is geared toward college prep, college and university (and beyond) - not everyone is cut out for or needs that kind of schooling.  In Germany it is just as prestigeous to learn a trade, and we wonder why their manufactured products are often superior.

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vnewman
vnewman
12/30/2016 12:46:42 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@JohnBarnes - I saw the video and what the car did was react, not think.

When I see cars weaving or speeding around me like that, my first thought is - "What an idiot! I'm going to get away from that driver."  Then I would change lanes in the same way I would if I were following a truck with a big pointy thing hanging out the back that could crash through my windshield on a short stop.

Therein, lies the difference.

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faryl
faryl
12/30/2016 12:59:08 AM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
Unfortunately, I think this will create a challenge in America, since our education system doesn't currently seem to support making sure students have the technical skills necessary for those types of jobs vs. ones which may be more entry-level or require less specialized skills.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
12/29/2016 10:03:31 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
freehe,

Ultimately, I think, most human beings will have to do something other than work (at least as we understand work now), but this also means human beings will have to give up a large part of power relations, which I think is probably hardwired into primate or maybe mammalian  or even vertebrate neurology.  Which is part of why I think that although machines can, and are, and probably will continue to be used to rob most of our species, they're still our best hope -- because the software/hardware combo doesn't HAVE to care about whether you are being properly deferential to it in order to feel good about itself, whereas there's a pretty big body of evidence that the liveware does.

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