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Ariella
Ariella
2/15/2017 12:14:52 PM
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I have to say I'm not at all surprised. I should think other countries that do similar studies woud find comparable results.

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vnewman
vnewman
2/15/2017 2:32:52 PM
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@Ariella - I agree with you.  When I read the percentage that usage is 30% outside the home, that doesn't surprise me either.  Go out to dinner and look around and see how many families with children that age are using the internet on some device just to make it peacefully through a meal (myself included).

 

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Ariella
Ariella
2/15/2017 2:51:26 PM
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@vnewman kids and adults, as well, from what I've seen when passing by restaurant windows. Other than couples who appear to be on a date early in their relationships, the only ones who appear to pay direct attention to each other are the groups of women playing mah jongg. 

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Adi
Adi
2/16/2017 4:26:45 AM
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Ariella, vnewman - It won't surprise you then that ComScore reported smartphone usage (in terms of time spent) has doubled in just the past three years in the US.

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Ariella
Ariella
2/16/2017 9:19:27 AM
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@Adi, no it wouldn't. One of my kids alone is contributing a great deal to that statistic by buying new phones every few months after she manages to drop hers and shatter the scrreen or break it altogether.

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dcawrey
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2/16/2017 2:56:50 PM
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Not surprised to read this. It would seem to me as though the internet is just more entertaining. TV is too one-sided in a world of social media and the like. Kids want to view content, but they also want to connect with others at the same time. 

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afwriter
afwriter
2/18/2017 5:35:12 PM
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And no TV doesn't meant no video. It is not like kids are just spending their time surfing the web, they are still consuming video they are just watching video made by their friends instead of television networks.

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Michelle
Michelle
2/17/2017 2:28:57 PM
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I suspect you're right. We were talkng about the way TV viewing has changed just in our children's lives. They were young when Blockbuster video was still around. They remember renting DVDs. They have been around to watch the streaming content revolution. TV means something very different than it did when they were little...

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dcawrey
dcawrey
2/18/2017 4:46:32 PM
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@Michelle Another big difference is just the sheer volume of content that is available. When we were kinds there was a limited amount of obtainable content. Now, that stream could theoretically go on forever and ever...

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vnewman
vnewman
2/15/2017 2:35:13 PM
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Is it Live or is it Memorex?
"Second, the definition of TV itself is starting to get murky. Watching content on your TV doesn't necessarily mean you aren't on the Internet. SmartTVs, USB dongles/sticks and OTT set-top boxes now make it fairly simple to get Internet content on your TV screen. So in this scenario, are you online, or are you watching TV?"

Interesting comment because I always presume when these studies talk about watching TV or someone mentions it in conversation they are watching channel broadcasted content that is not internet-based.  I guess the lines are starting to blur.

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Adi
Adi
2/16/2017 4:29:08 AM
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vnewman - it depends on the study, each one defines it differently. But for the most, the definition you assume is the right one. Internet delivered video, even to the TV, is generally measured in the OTT category. But I'm not sure that distinction can be maintained for long as smart TV penetration and OTT STB/stick penetration grows. 

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clrmoney
clrmoney
2/15/2017 4:25:22 PM
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Aussie Kids on the Internet
The internet is very popular so I think that is is a great idea for the kids to be advanced with knowledge for them later own in life.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/15/2017 5:47:20 PM
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Aussie Kids Trading TV Time for Internet
The question I had as I was reading this was, what constituted TV? In other words, the viewer could be using the TV to get online. But then the questioned was answered as I read a little further. Thanks!

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elizabethv
elizabethv
2/21/2017 6:22:40 AM
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Re: Aussie Kids Trading TV Time for Internet
@srufolo1 - There's more overlap just in watching TV online, or accessing the internet from a SmartTV. Because realistically, it isn't that difficult to watch TV while you are on the internet from your phone. In fact I'd be willing to bet a fair number of people do this routinely. And really the question should be, how much attention are you paying to one or the other while doing both? 

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/15/2017 5:51:18 PM
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Aussie Kids Trading TV Time for Internet
Time spent on the Internet, at 12 hours per week, including off-site locations like schools seems like a rather short amount of time for Australian children when you consider it seems like kids here in the U.S. spend like 8 hours a day online. It would be nice to see a study of the same aged children for the U.S.

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vnewman
vnewman
2/17/2017 12:29:59 PM
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Re: Aussie Kids Trading TV Time for Internet
Not that I have any scientific proof on this, but I would think there is significant variation in Internet (or even TV) usage based on the regional weather pattern no matter what country you live in.

Currently we live in Southern California and the amount of time my child spends on the internet isn't nearly what it is when we travel back East to visit family.  The typical sunny and mild days mean we do a lot more outside and don't need that medium of entertainment as much as we do when we go back to rainy, cloudy, snowy, and cold weather.  

The Australian winters aren't especially cold, so I hypothesize that kids are out and about doing other things because the opportunity allots itself moreso than for kids in (many parts of) the US.

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Ariella
Ariella
2/17/2017 2:37:11 PM
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Re: Aussie Kids Trading TV Time for Internet
@vnewman One would hope that kids would get outside and play actively more on nicer days. Unfortunately, I don't see so much of that. And even when kids  above the age of 8 or so actually do go to a playground, they typically have a device with them. 

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afwriter
afwriter
2/18/2017 5:31:36 PM
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Re: Aussie Kids Trading TV Time for Internet
I think a lot of parents feel like they need to force their kids outside because there are just too many options inside today.

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Ariella
Ariella
2/18/2017 6:57:45 PM
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Re: Aussie Kids Trading TV Time for Internet
@afwriter yes, that's exactly the way I feel about it! We say "it's a beautiful day out," and the kids don't seem to see the attraction.

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dcawrey
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2/19/2017 1:45:30 PM
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Re: Aussie Kids Trading TV Time for Internet
@afwriter I remember getting the best of both worlds. I played video games but was not so attached to it that I did not go outside. Sometimes I think that the suburbs today don't make enough acommodations for kids to go out and play anymore. Green spaces are essential for that. 

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vnewman
vnewman
2/20/2017 6:46:24 PM
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Re: Aussie Kids Trading TV Time for Internet
I think that's an important distinction. I'm not really talking about places that have some nicer days here and there and where that is the exception. I'm talking about the regions of the country where weather temperatures remain mild throughout the year or there is sunshine more than 300 days a year. When your lifestyle is to spend more time outside because the weather allows it you don't incorporate being online as much into your daily routine. But if you only have beautiful days here and there, kids already develop the habit which is hard to break.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
2/21/2017 1:20:10 AM
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Re: Aussie Kids Trading TV Time for Internet
It is upon us to make sure we ensure a sense of balance.  If we do not, there is a disservice that might prove detrimental.    

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elizabethv
elizabethv
2/21/2017 6:26:20 AM
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I am sure that as more and more kids get older, after having grown up with the internet being so central to their lives, they will be cord cutters. This is a battle that cable will likely start having to fight in 10 years or so, with real force. Especially as cable companies already work to pull in cord cutters by appealing to them online. Shorter versions of Live TV to satisfy people's interest in watching whatever shows others are watching on TV will help keep cord cutters in the know, without a monthly subscription to a cable TV service. 

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Ariella
Ariella
2/21/2017 8:55:43 AM
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On just this topic, the Wall Street Journal just posted an article yesterday, "For Generation Z, 'Live Chilling' Replaces Hanging Out in Person."

 


 

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vnewman
vnewman
2/21/2017 11:30:26 AM
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@Ariella, I tried to read the article, but it requires a paid subscription to get the full text.

Would you mind summing up the article for those of us who make it a practice not to pay for online content? :)

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Ariella
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2/21/2017 11:49:13 AM
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@vnewman from th article:

Teens have been hanging out online for 20 years, but in 2017 they're doing it on group video chat apps, in a way that feels like the real thing, not just a poor substitute. Ranging in age from adolescents to their early 20s—the group loosely defined as "Generation Z" —these young people are leaving the apps open, in order to hang out casually with peers in a trend some call "live chilling."

This phenomenon is made possible by the sudden ubiquity of video chat, in messaging apps such as Kik and Facebook Messenger , as well as stand-alone apps including Houseparty, Fam , Tribe , Airtime and ooVoo....

These apps make sense now in part because more teens than ever have access to smartphones. In 2015, the Pew Research Center reported 73% of U.S. teens have access to a smartphone, and that figure is growing. Those teens are checking their phones on average more than 80 times a day, according to Deloitte .

It isn't just that teens have phones, and that the infrastructure required to handle multiple simultaneous video streams is more accessible to developers than ever. It is also that teens aren't getting out to socialize in real life like they once did. One in three teens told Pew that they hang out with friends outside of school less often than "every few days."

"To me that's where this story begins," says Ted Livingston , founder and chief executive of Kik, a messaging app with 300 million registered users that is especially popular with American teenagers. It is hard for older generations to understand how young people cope with this lack of physical hangtime, he says. "The answer is they're hanging out with their friends on their phone."

Mr. Livingston says that when teens leave Kik's group video chat open for hours, it is a sort of passive window into friends' homes and lives. This behavior isn't so different from the way Generation X would call friends after school, and millennials used AOL Instant Messenger and, later, text messaging to keep up with friends, says Ryan Hoover, founder of startup tracking service Product Hunt.

To a large extent, all these technologies have been an adaptation to teens' inability to access one another in person, says Jan Odiaga, assistant professor at Rush University College of Nursing in Chicago, who studies how technology influences activity levels in young people. The situation is worse than ever because of packed schedules, helicopter parenting and the decline of walkable neighborhoods.

The phenomenon is exemplified by a recent case that made national headlines : When parents in Maryland allowed their children to walk home from school on their own, police and child protective services got involved. Many parents feel the frustration that social pressures prevent them from allowing their children the same freedom of movement that they themselves had as teens.

The net effect, says Ms. Odiaga, is that teens are spending more time indoors, and are less active, than ever. Studies examining time use since 1965 show a significant decline in active time accelerating in the mid-1990s , to the point that young people today are sedentary for more than 10 hours a day, says Ms. Odiaga. We're at the point now, she adds, that the technology is also driving the trend.

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vnewman
vnewman
2/21/2017 12:31:52 PM
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Great article.  Frankly, it is much easier to "hang out" virtually than it is online.  In person contact takes a lot of "social energy" as I like to call it.  If you are already worn thin by school and a packed activity schedule, it isn't hard to understand how you would prefer a more "chill" type of interaction level with your friends.  

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elizabethv
elizabethv
2/23/2017 8:42:07 AM
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@vnewman - By your post I would guess you're an introvert. As an introvert, I thrive in an online environment. I started doing online classes when they were first being rolled out and ended up completing two Master's Degree's completely online because I prefer them so much more to being in an actual classroom. But the online environment makes me wonder if people are showing a preference for being more "introverted" (since no one is truly 100% introvert or extrovert) or if there are true extroverts out there that still prefer a physical social scene to a virtual one. And where do the percentages lie? 

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vnewman
vnewman
3/2/2017 6:58:16 PM
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I can go back and forth between both personality traits - it depends on my mood and how much sleep I've had!  I will say this: The preference for "hanging out online" is slowly seeping its way into the workforce in the form of people prefering to work remotely either on the road or from home and also to collaborate through video or chat instead of in person.  We are even starting to use these methods for recruiting whereas in the past, all of our efforts were on campus, in-person.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
3/31/2017 2:49:45 PM
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Good points! I also get in moods where I don't want to see people and would rather have a conversation over text. However, most of the time, I find more satisfaction having a face to face conversation.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
2/28/2017 8:28:52 PM
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Yes I 100% understand. With a busy work, school or other activities it is hard to hang out with friends in person. However, I still find that I get much more joy out of hanging out with friends in person than online or over the phone.

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