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clrmoney
3/21/2017 10:56:59 AM
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Piracy in the Middle East
I don't know why they have the US with downloading illegal material or whatever be piracy which is ridiculous. I think their shouldn't be so many laws/rules on things.
dmendyk
3/21/2017 12:03:15 PM
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Perceived value
Most people don't see content stealing as theft in large part because they don't think content has real value. It's just a way to kill some time. The fact that most content now is available in non-physical formats just reinforces this perception.
elizabethv
3/21/2017 5:09:51 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@dmendyk - I'm not sure the popularity of piracy comes from not seeing value in the product, as much as believing it to be a victimless crime. Though if I really think about it, I can see why it could be the content having value. I suppose it might depend on the person. I see media as having value, in fact - working in the mental health industry, I recognize that media is by far by most utilized coping skill. Realistically though, I still think it's easier to justify piracy by believing no one is really hurt by the piracy, than because there is no value in the media itself.
DHagar
3/21/2017 11:18:02 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@elizabethv - great points about the false impression that it is a victimless crime. That fits the age dynamic and those who believe that the network is a virtual annonymity and that everything is secretive. It is like having a private conversation in front of a microphone.
Ariella
3/22/2017 9:11:27 AM
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Re: Perceived value
<Younger audiences, with limited discretionary spending, are unlikely to simply stop pirating content, or be concerned about a multi-millionaire movie star losing money.>
@Adi True, with film tickets now at $7 -$15 (depending on where and when), or even higher for 3D effect films, it does represent a significant chunk of change for those who are not earning very much. And there is so much pirated content out there.
DHagar
3/22/2017 2:12:12 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@Ariella, so true. Plus, I believe that the new social norm is that they are entitled to find the chapest way to pursue their own interest!
Ariella
3/22/2017 2:26:49 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@DHagar allowing the virtue of thrift to overshadow other virtues.
DHagar
3/22/2017 2:41:43 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@Ariella, very true, but I believe the advancement of one's personal self-interest has become the priority with many of that age group today. The "virtual" world seems to have taught them that they can pursue what they want without accountability. (Example: You don't have to "own" cars, you just call on demand, you don't have to "own" homes, etc., which also may be having an impact on overall relationships - ie family, marriage, children.)
Food for thought!
Ariella
3/22/2017 3:17:30 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@DHagar that's an interesting take on the sharing economy. If you don't own but only use, then why would you pay to purchase a viewing?
freehe
3/30/2017 7:45:51 AM
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Re: Perceived value
@Ariella, good point. I hadn't thought of it in that way. That makes sense.
elizabethv
3/24/2017 10:42:34 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@DHagar - That is a great analogy! And you're exactly right, so many people see any activity they have online as being anonymous. That's why a lot of them behave the way they do on message boards. People say things to other people that they would never dream of saying in person. And the number of death threats that are transmitted online are just insane!!
DHagar
3/27/2017 5:29:27 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@elizabethv, yes and then they wonder how people know everything that is going on with them. They are fully transparent but feel invincible!
elizabethv
3/27/2017 9:31:42 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@DHagar - the people that always manage to surprise me are the people who try to act somewhat aloof online, when they are actually being completely obvious about their intentions. Especially when you know them in real life as well, it is easy to see what people are saying and doing, but then they act surprised when everyone knows what they're doing.
DHagar
3/28/2017 7:33:08 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@elizabethv - exactly, they think they are "unmasked" while being totally exposed. Kind of like the Emperor's Clothes?
elizabethv
3/28/2017 10:46:43 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@DHagar - Great analogy! I think in some ways most people are a lot like the Emperor while they parade around online. Maybe what we truly need is some kind of awakening to expose them? So to speak.
DHagar
3/29/2017 4:39:41 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@elizabethv, or a two-way mirror?
No, in truth it is a cultural awareness and millennials simply feel "safe" online and view anythng on line as legit.
elizabethv
3/29/2017 5:23:23 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@DHagar - I have to wonder if any Millenials (sheepishly admits she is one, though I'm on the "older" end and personally believe I'm far more Gen X anyway.....) will wake up to not being "safe" online now that Congress just made it that much easier for companies to take our information and sell it to the highest bidder.....
DHagar
3/29/2017 5:34:37 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@elizabethv - good thinking! You are one smart Gen X'r!
And yes, the wild frontier is unleashed again giving free reign to the companies to use the data how they choose. Clearly people don't understand the power, or value, of data!
srufolo1
3/29/2017 10:46:39 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@elizabethv Selling our personal information to third parties is an outrage. Where will this lack of privacy end?
freehe
3/30/2017 7:37:13 AM
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Piracy
I did not realize video piracy was a huge issue. Enlightening article.
srufolo1
3/30/2017 11:24:22 AM
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Re: Piracy
@freehee Remember the days of Napster when no-one thought a thing of sharing MP3 files? The music industry got pissed and the company was forced to shutter. Pirating didn't seem like a big deal. The companies that lose money because of it do. It's considered copyright infringement. It may not be a huge issue to us, but it's still considered illegal to do it. Oh well, what can I say? Guess the Internet changed everything and made it easier to do.
dcawrey
3/30/2017 6:53:34 PM
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Re: Piracy
@srufolo1 It was easy to shutter something like Napster because they had an office in Silicon Valley and a team that was in the media.
Piracy has changed since those days - it is decentralized and less visible. But no doubt it's there, taking away business from OTT providers.
elizabethv
3/30/2017 9:20:19 PM
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Re: Piracy
@dcawrey - You're right, as long as piracy works to remain decentralized, they are more difficult to find and prosecute. There was a movie website (whose name I can't remember for the life of me right now) you could watch movies that were still in theater on the site. But it changed sites all the time, so even though it was still the same site, it's URL changed, and you had to get an email with the new URL. Co-workers used it to watch movies while we worked overnights, but when I stopped working with those co-workers I completely lost track of the site, so I don't know if it still exists or not. But even if it was ever found out, any prosecution lacked the fame that Napster had when they were being prosecuted.
srufolo1
3/30/2017 11:14:24 PM
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@dcawrey That's a good point about they were able to force Napster out of business because of them being so high-profile. But they also may be a good example of someone who honestly did not think there was anything wrong with what they were doing. I don't believe they thought of it as piracy or copy infringement ... or that it was hurting anyone's business.
elizabethv
3/31/2017 11:03:09 PM
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Re: Piracy
@srufolo1 - I would agree with that, the creators of Napster likely saw nothing wrong with the sharing of music. It may have even been intended to just be small, and then quickly got out of hand. Perhaps if they had stayed small, nothing ever would have happened to them. At the very least, they likely believed no one would ever prosecute them for their actions. Otherwise why would they have done it? And I know some bands are fine with anyone creating copies of their songs, the Grateful Dead being one of them.
freehe
3/30/2017 7:38:17 AM
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Re: Perceived value
@srufolo1, it will never end. Companies make making renting, sharing or selling personal information. Unfortunately it will only get worse.
elizabethv
3/30/2017 9:16:14 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@srufolo1 - We live in a country that seems to value the profit of businesses over everything else. So long as we stay on this track, I think we'll soon find ourselves in the world of Idiocracy, where we all wear labels all over our clothes, and have a President named Mountain Dew.
freehe
3/30/2017 7:40:51 AM
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Re: Perceived value
@DHagar, I agree it is a cultural awareness. Millennials do not do research. They are unaware of consequences of their actions and/or believe that "it won't happen to me". In other instances they simply don't believe the facts. They will find out the hard way.
DHagar
3/30/2017 10:04:09 PM
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Re: Perceived value
@freehe, well stated, what they don't personally experience isn't real in their minds! (Note: As if Reality shows are more real!)
freehe
3/30/2017 7:42:13 AM
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Re: Perceived value
@elizabethv, that is so true. It is quite comical.
srufolo1
3/21/2017 12:49:14 PM
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Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
It's crazy that piracy exists with content seemingly up for grabs, but I do not believe for one minute that anyone gives a rat's a-- about the economic effect of piracy on the media industry.
dcawrey
3/21/2017 1:50:11 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
There's probably a huge disconnect between what people in the Middle East think about stealing content. In many places, it's hard enough to get a hold of western content. Piracy is just a method of access for them.
srufolo1
3/21/2017 2:07:13 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@dcawrey Quite frankly, I'm surprised that in the Middle East, especially Saudi Arabia, anyone can even bypass all the censorships to even get content, let alone pirate it.
JohnBarnes
3/25/2017 6:49:20 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
srufulo1,
I'm glad someone mentioned the Elephant in the Room of censorship. Given the complicated nature of many of those societies where the private sphere is wide-open and eager to access all kinds of content, but it's dangerous to say that in public, and where there are extensive public and private systems of censorship competing and cooperating, piracy is probably a preferred pathway, because the user at least knows that someone else out there is covering their tracks.
freehe
3/30/2017 7:44:31 AM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@JohnBarnes, good point regarding censorship. So true.
elizabethv
3/21/2017 5:16:37 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@dcawrey - That's an extremely valid point also. If you really pay attention to media, it doesn't take long to start seeing people in other countries complaining about their inability to access Western content. Something I have never truly understood, and definitely never been able to make sense of. Though I know piracy is huge in Asia too, I know someone who frequently travels over there and always comes back with knock off DVD's filling a suit case.
JohnBarnes
3/30/2017 2:19:25 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
ElizabethV,
Yes, fundamentally there is no getting around the fact that in modern tech the marginal cost of producing another copy is as close to zero as makes no difference. Over the last couple centuries the real price of bread has gone down a lot, but circuses have gone almost all the way to free.
elizabethv
3/21/2017 5:12:47 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@srufolo1 - I completely agree, no one really cares about the economic effect of piracy on the media industry. For the most part, when people think of the media industry, they think of Hollywood, and all the stars, and even the directors/producers who we all see as making significantly more money than most of us will ever see in a lifetime. What they don't see are the Boom Techs, and the Lighting crew that don't make the money those in front of the cameras, or on the red carpet make. Most probably also don't realize there is a slew of Academy Awards given out every year, at a separate ceremony that isn't aired on live TV for all the "little guys." Those are the people that do end up getting hurt by piracy. How hurt, is anyone's guess.
srufolo1
3/22/2017 7:14:30 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@elizabethv I get your point about the "little guy" in Hollywood suffering over the illegal pirating of movies, etc ... It's not only them but we also suffer for it, with higher costs being passed down to the consumer. No one is a winner, except for maybe those that pirate. But I can't imagine even they do. Have you ever seen the quality of pirated material?
Ariella
3/23/2017 12:12:21 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@srufolo Some pirates simply record a film in the theater with their phones. The results of that are very low quality. But some seem to get digital quality copies (perhaps from versions sent out for advance reviews). I was actually wondering, though, about pirated versions of videos that are available to people for free -- like the Amazon Prime ones. Is there something set up in that to prevent duplication?
elizabethv
3/24/2017 10:46:22 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@srufolo1 - You're right, the cost of pirating is passed on with higher prices for just about all media. The cost of a DVD anymore is just about insane. I'm glad I've pretty much given up on collecting them anymore, and if I do get one, it's generally second hand from a store here in Denver. I'm not really sure what the pirates get out of the situation, other than some strange satisfaction in beating "the man." I have seen a few pirated copies that looked like someone was just filming on their smartphone in a movie theater. But as far as I know, a lot of the "better" pirated copies come from people overseas. So things may be different for them, and what they might get out of pirated copies. I honestly have no idea.
srufolo1
3/29/2017 12:57:47 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@elizabethv Your comment makes me recall that Seinfeld episode where the guy was filming in a theater, and, of course, the quality s-cked. I once bought a copy of something, a VCR tape, from a reputable video store in my town, and I could tell it was pirated. The filming was the worst. I could barely watch it.
srufolo1
3/29/2017 12:50:16 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@elizabethv Those "little guys" that work behind the scenes are called "invisibles" in David Zweig's (@davidzweig) book called "Invisibles: The Power of Anonymous Work in An Age of Relentless Self-Promotion." They do their jobs for the love of the work. I got the book out of the library because, as a copy editor, I really related to being an invisible person in a workplace that kept giving all the kudos to the ones who shouted the loudest (read: marketing people).
elizabethv
3/29/2017 5:26:11 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@srufolo1 - That's a pretty good name for people in those roles, like the Boom Operator (I always loved that job title) Though I can imagine feeling pretty under-appreciated in any role that has an important part of producing any kind of art work, but really gets left out of getting any credit. No Boom Operator ever found their way to a star on the Hollywood walk, unless they found their way out of being a Boom Operator first. But like you said, it's the ones who shout the loudest that get the credit. The squeaky wheel, has and always will, get the grease.
JohnBarnes
3/25/2017 6:54:29 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
srufulo1,
Having spent a few eons in sales, B2B small business, at least in the US it is often the case that Middle Eastern immigrant business people regard it as normal politeness and consideration to express hope that anyone they're working out a deal with will also profit from the deal, and to display a polite concern for how the potential deal partner is going to do. (This carries over to, for example, being quite offended when American and European sales people exult, ast hey sometimes do, over having pushed, tricked, or leveraged someone into an exploitive deal). So I wonder if maybe the survey result is just that near-universal tendency to tell pollsters "what a good person would say" rather than what you actually think? Maybe their social conventions make it mandatory to express (polite, pro-forma) concern that the businesses they deal with are doing all right?
elizabethv
3/25/2017 8:13:36 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@JohnBarnes - I think it might be fair to think people who are pirating videos aren't generally completely honest about their actions. Given the illegality of the process, I'm sure it's right up there with asking people if they know where one might buy some heroin. You'd likely have to sincerely trust a person you might give that answer to - if in fact you knew the answer.
JohnBarnes
3/25/2017 8:33:51 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
srufulo1,
And to tie a couple themes together, in a society with sometimes vicious and always unpredictable political policing, the first thought upon being asked a question is "Who might hear this, or ask this, and what would they want to hear?"
srufolo1
3/29/2017 1:24:05 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@JohnBarnes Yes, because they are always fearful. And there is not always such a great justice system where there is a fair trial, if one at all. If someone sees you do something, that's it. You are guilty. So they say what they need to say to keep on the safe side.
srufolo1
3/29/2017 1:11:47 PM
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Re: Mobile Millennials Lead Video Piracy
@JohnBarnes The typical Middle Eastern businessperson may be just better than his American counterpart of screwing someone over. In an area of the world that operates on the concept of "baksheesh," there's no telling what you may encounter in entering into a business deal with them. I believe the survey result is exactly what you say: an attempt to project honesty even if they know that piracy is not exactly the upstanding thing to do.
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I expect we'd see similar numbers in the US and Europe.
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