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dcawrey
dcawrey
6/30/2017 2:47:32 PM
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Everybody
I think it is everybody's job. 

AI is going to be so fundamentally to everyday life there won't be any other way. Think about how humans use computers now as a tool - and then consider the impact AI will have on that. 

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elizabethv
elizabethv
7/4/2017 9:35:21 AM
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Re: Everybody
@dcawrey - I completely agree. AI will completely transform technology - again. That means it's everybody's job. We all need to be on the forefront of this technology to make it as useful and understood as it can be. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/4/2017 3:54:38 PM
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Re: Everybody
Hmm. Everybody? I don't quite think so. But not nobody, either. Do we trust IT to "everybody" in the firm? No, there are dedicated staff to oversee security and maintenance. I assume the same will be true with AI. There will be dedicated staff for AI security and maintenance.

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batye
batye
7/4/2017 5:08:06 PM
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Re: Everybody
@mhhf1ve interesting point I would be worried to see whom responsible for what ??? as with soo many IT security... security could be overlooked... as in my book peson should be asigned/dedicated personel... 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/5/2017 12:32:45 PM
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Re: Everybody
> "I would be worried to see whom responsible for what ..."

Heh. Well, hopefully Elon Musk's efforts to keep AI from "turning evil" will be enough for people to keep AI from becoming super-powerful and taking over our planet.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150116092513/https://www.wired.com/2015/01/elon-musk-ai-safety/

AI security may be more important than many people realize -- especially if it controls infrastructure like internet networks or power grids.... 

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batye
batye
7/5/2017 5:32:14 PM
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Re: Everybody
@mhhf1ve I see your point, it does make sense... thanks for the link interesting reading... for me security - never ends or stops :) 

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dlr5288
dlr5288
7/31/2017 6:51:00 PM
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Re: Everybody
Agreed! Security is an on going process that will never subside.

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batye
batye
8/1/2017 12:23:13 AM
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Re: Everybody
@dlr5288 yes, but constant security education and upgrades is a must... no other way around education/training never ends 

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dlr5288
dlr5288
8/30/2017 10:17:21 AM
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Re: Everybody
Which I think is a good thing. To continue to learn as much as we can about security will only benefit us.

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batye
batye
9/3/2017 6:56:33 PM
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Re: Everybody
@dlr5288 Kiss is always better as consumers do not spend time on complex things while not sure if thing will work out at the end... Simple and easy always wins if you trying to implement technology globaly or across department in the Co. 

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dlr5288
dlr5288
9/28/2017 12:06:13 PM
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Re: Everybody
Something simple and easy to use that gives the consumer what they want is always a win/win scenario.

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batye
batye
10/2/2017 4:24:29 AM
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Re: Everybody
@dlr5288 yes this days everyone to show it as win win or at least they try it:) 

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dlr5288
dlr5288
10/30/2017 2:09:28 PM
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Re: Everybody
Exactly. I think you can’t lose when you use that tactic.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
7/6/2017 8:51:25 AM
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Re: Everybody

@mhhf1ve - Honestly, computers having too much control scares me a bit. I think we already have a problem in this country with people relying too heavily on the informaiton behind a screen. And while I get technology is a powerful force, it isn't infallible. I just think of the guy who had "hands free" set in his Tesla and was decapitated by a semi truck. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/6/2017 1:40:21 PM
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Re: Everybody
> "..computers having too much control scares me a bit."

Hmm. Well, I suppose it depends on what you trust more -- a human or the AI that a human (or humans) made. Everyone (and everything) can make mistakes. But the only real solution is to make systems that have built in limits to their impact. So.. Regulate everything so that banks aren't too big to fail, industries aren't monopolistic, etc, etc.... 

Having checks and balances on everything might provide some measure of safety, but getting regulations in place that would literally dismantle anything that became too big to fail -- might be very difficult to achieve.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
7/5/2017 8:32:01 AM
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Re: Everybody
@mhhf1ve - Lol, I suppose I only saw in black and white with an all or nothing response required. What you say makes sense, but I suppose it could be taken further. As in it's "everybody's" job to support the progression and implementation of AI. To use the product and want it developed further. Even then, if you really wanted to get into it, not every one can, or will do this. But you get the point. 

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batye
batye
7/5/2017 9:54:14 AM
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Re: Everybody
@elizabethv could not agree more as dealing and learning A.I. it not a simple process...  first of all even with today cost is still expensive... but in security field you could pay now or pay much more later... 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/5/2017 12:27:59 PM
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> "As in it's "everybody's" job to support the progression and implementation of AI."

Yes, I suppose at some point, when AI is advanced enough, everyone will be talking to AI to make it do things -- like the ship's computer in Star Trek. But simply asking for "Earl Grey, hot" isn't exactly the same as developing the algorithms to make it understand what tea and temperature are.... :P

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batye
batye
7/5/2017 5:34:09 PM
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Re: Everybody
@mhhf1ve interesting point - I would say sometimes basic way bring more results - how I see it... 

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dlr5288
dlr5288
7/31/2017 6:51:45 PM
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Re: Everybody
True. Sometimes going the more simpler way can make for a better result with consumers and devices.

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batye
batye
8/1/2017 12:26:32 AM
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Re: Everybody
@dlr5288 simpler and easy way as it easy for user to operate and yes it create better results at the end... 

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dlr5288
dlr5288
8/30/2017 10:18:19 AM
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Re: Everybody
And when it comes down to it, consumers like easier and more simpler things. When it gets too complex they lose interest.

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batye
batye
9/3/2017 6:53:52 PM
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Re: Everybody
@dlr5288  with security process of learning is never ending and I think it never gonna end as we are trying... but always one step behing the hackesrs - how I see it... 

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dlr5288
dlr5288
9/28/2017 12:05:26 PM
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Re: Everybody
Isn't that crazy how we're always behind them. I guess they have more of an incentive to try and get in? But still..

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batye
batye
10/2/2017 4:23:32 AM
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Re: Everybody
@dlr5288 I would say Yes and No as depends the way you see it or how you look at it... and the end result... 

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dlr5288
dlr5288
10/30/2017 2:08:50 PM
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Re: Everybody
I guess it does depend. I hope it can be out to an end sometime soon though

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dcawrey
dcawrey
7/5/2017 5:01:45 PM
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Re: Everybody
@elizabethv I think driverless tech is leading the way on this. 

Think of the truck drivers that are working with these logistical systems. It is a great example of how this future is going to look. 

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elizabethv
elizabethv
7/6/2017 8:52:57 AM
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@dcawrey - if driverless cars scare me - driverless trucks might be enough to keep me off the roads completely. I just feel like there were need to be some kind of failsafe. And a human behind the wheel that's "supposed" to be able to take over in the event of an emergency, just isn't good enough in my mind. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/6/2017 1:44:50 PM
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> "a human behind the wheel that's "supposed" to be able to take over in the event of an emergency, just isn't good enough in my mind."

Google found out exactly that humans aren't a reliable backup for an erratic autonomous driving program. Humans get bored when 99% of the time the AI is doing okay, and then they can't react fast enough when the 1% of the time when the AI is headed for a disaster. Google's autonomous driving project proposed a car without a steering wheel to emphasize that humans can't be a co-pilot. 

 

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DHagar
DHagar
7/6/2017 7:59:17 PM
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Re: Everybody
@mhhf1ve, good points about the loss of cognitive thinking when the tasks become repetitive and simplistic.

I think Christie has it right in that the role of workers in the new AI environment is that it is everyone's job.  The ability to think "with" data and information in the context of everyone's job will enhance the human capital in any organization.  

It begins with solving problems and increasing productivity, then enlarges to include the entire organization, then leads to innovation and new business models to create new wealth.  This is an entirely new dimension - with technology augmenting human intelligence.

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batye
batye
9/4/2017 1:47:53 PM
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@DHagar yes as technology improves ability to work faster and smarter way - improving everything at the end... 

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DHagar
DHagar
9/5/2017 8:05:38 PM
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Re: Everybody
@batye, and if we move forward with the right perspective, technology will "augment" rather than replace the capabilities of the worker.

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batye
batye
9/5/2017 11:29:47 PM
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Re: Everybody
@DHagar yes, you are right as we living in the new age and must step out from Pradigm :) 

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DHagar
DHagar
9/6/2017 6:24:54 PM
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Re: Everybody
@batye, it requires us to think again - beyond linear steps.  If we remember how to think and learn, we will discover new ways to adapt and even thrive with these changes.  It may be uncomfortable at first but it is the way forward.

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batye
batye
9/6/2017 10:37:07 PM
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Re: Everybody
@DHagar yes, but we living in the future now we must adapt our way of thinking in the future now... 

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clrmoney
clrmoney
6/30/2017 4:07:44 PM
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AI is optional
I think that some people are accepting towards AI/Artificial intelligence when it comes to robots and super computers so maybe it nobody job because it is a choice.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/6/2017 1:47:02 PM
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Who has liability for the mistakes of AI?
I'm curious how the legal penalties for AI mistakes might play out. How is really going to be liable for AI disasters in the future? Will it be the company that sold the AI? The person who bought and used it? 

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Ariella
Ariella
7/6/2017 2:01:26 PM
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Re: Who has liability for the mistakes of AI?
@mhhf1ve I should think it would work like other machines involved in harming people. If the person operating the machine is at fault -- like a drunk driver who hits someone with a car -- then the liability falls on him/her. If, however, it can be proven that the driver did nothing wrong but could not stop due to faulty brakes, the manufacturer would be liable.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/6/2017 3:10:28 PM
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Re: Who has liability for the mistakes of AI?
@Ariella, yes, and some companies are even pre-emptively accepting the liability under certain conditions.

http://jalopnik.com/mercedes-google-volvo-to-accept-liability-when-their-1735170893

But what happens if a hacker gets involved and the manufacturer and the driver are both not at fault? If you can't locate the hacker... I guess it's too bad for the victims.

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