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afwriter
10/9/2017 4:36:51 PM
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This was a tough one.
Can I pick F, all of the above? This was a tough one there was a lot of mental back and forth with my choice.
mhhf1ve
10/9/2017 10:22:51 PM
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Re: This was a tough one.
It's strange how many votes IoT gets when that field is still immature. Maybe IoT will be a huge concern in 5 years, but right now?
afwriter
10/9/2017 10:50:22 PM
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Re: This was a tough one.
Its immaturity (and hype) is probably why it's a popular choice. While I agree wholeheartedly with your take, I would play devil's advocate by saying that people are worried that their toaster is going to kill them or their fridge is working for the Russians.
mhhf1ve
10/10/2017 1:20:23 PM
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There are some legit concerns about "toaster/fridge" security because no one seems to be taking home appliance security very seriously yet. IoT webcams have been unsecured and that's just the tip of an iceberg of possible home devices.
elizabethv
10/11/2017 7:26:43 AM
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Re: This was a tough one.
@mhhf1ve - I have cameras in both my kids bedrooms. I work overnights and being able to watch them from the cameras in their rooms makes me feel better about leaving them (my husband is home, I'm not leaving them alone, just feel bad leaving them in general, it's an over-protective mom thing.) Also, since they're little, they actually like knowing mommy is watching them all night. When I first told my cousin I was getting cameras in their rooms, she freaked out and said she'd never do that. She's worried the cameras will be hacked and people will watch them. Now we have the two cameras in bedrooms, a camera at the front door, and two Alexa's in the house. I just have to hope we're relatively secure, if for no other reason that there isn't anything exciting going on in my house.
mhhf1ve
10/11/2017 11:08:20 AM
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Re: This was a tough one.
I don't use webcams much, but their use as baby/kid monitors seems like a good one -- worth the risk of hacking. I'm not sure what could go so wrong but it would be creepy if a stranger was watching your kids too.
afwriter
10/11/2017 3:40:51 PM
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Re: This was a tough one.
Other than perverts the one thing that worries me about webcams is that I am a creature of routine and someone could easily learn those routines and enter my home when I was away.
mhhf1ve
10/11/2017 3:53:19 PM
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That would be a risky move for would-be thieves, I would think.. If you have webcams all over your house that could indicate when you were away.. isn't it also a good bet you have a security system as well? Or that you'd be monitoring your house while you were away?
I think the old-fashioned method of observing a house (ie. casing a joint) is the preferred method of risking a breaking&entering charge....
afwriter
10/11/2017 3:57:11 PM
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Re: This was a tough one.
I would assume that if someone has the skillset to hack my cameras they could also mess around with the security system. In any case the real joke would be on them as I don't have much that would be of worth to a would-be robber.
mhhf1ve
10/11/2017 4:10:22 PM
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Hopefully, real security systems have better security than IoT webcams! But maybe not? One would think a big company like Equifax would have better security, too....
elizabethv
10/13/2017 12:08:05 PM
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Re: This was a tough one.
@mhhf1ve - I've heard most security cameras are pretty easy to hack. But I don't know from experience so I couldn't say for sure. Any more there isn't much that seems to challenge hackers.
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@mhh: The problem, as with most consumer (and even non-consumer!) IoT devices, is that devices like ambient video cameras simply were not originally conceived with embedded devices/connectivity/IoT in mind. Therefore, manufacturers kind of flub their way through.
Shaunn
10/11/2017 7:52:00 PM
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Re: This was a tough one.
@afwriter - Botnets are all the rage these days. An unsecured device, even as simple as a wifi router, can now become a part of a botnet with little to no indication of compromise.
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@Shaunn: That's why there has been so much call for legislation/regulation of consumer IoT devices. Absent that, there appears to be little incentive for consumer-IoT device manufacturers to up their security -- because at the end of the day, their IoT-enabled refrigerators still work as refrigerators fundamentally (botnet zombie or not).
afwriter
10/13/2017 11:17:56 PM
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@Joe I think that this is the reason why I feel like IoT is at the bottom of the list. I feel like with consumer IoT there is an extra factor of the consumer choosing IoT devices that add extra security (or not) so the oness is on the consumer and not exclusively the provider. If that makes sense...
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@afwriter: The onus is never going to be on the consumer because the consumer has little to no reason to care any more than the manufacturers do. Their stuff still fundamentally works for the most part. It's not like when a computer slows down to a crawl when it's infected with botnet malware.
elizabethv
10/13/2017 12:06:08 PM
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@afwriter - there's that possibility too. In the end I suppose for us it's just worth the risk. There isn't anything overly valuable in my house anyway. So I've mused what a disappointment any burglars would be in for should they ever attempt it. Unless they were in the market for cheap toddler toys.... then my house could be just what they're looking for. Lol.
Re: This was a tough one.
@afwriter: Not to mention the notion of identity thieves picking up juicy tidbits of data.
And, of course, the inherent comforts of privacy in and of themselves.
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@mhh: See, I didn't vote IoT for two reasons.
1) I voted "platforms and devices" -- and "devices" presumably includes "IoT".
2) Even so, the issue of IoT security is better laid at the doorsteps of IoT device manufacturers.
That said, obviously, security is everybody's problem -- regardless of whose "fault" something is -- but there's my two cents.
Besides, one could always ban IoT devices from the network -- or, at least, have an extra vigorous vetting process for IoT devices. Not the most agile or digitally transformative solution, but there you go. Access and security are mortal foes.
mpouraryan
10/13/2017 3:25:22 PM
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Happy Friday the 13th to all here @TT...
For me, it was iOT as a tactical vote--but as I am listening to Kurzweil & Diamandis talk right now, I can't help but wonder if as @JOE underscored, we're not looking at "beyond the now" and a vision of the future we're yet to realize.
Re: This was a tough one.
Indeed, @mpouraryan. So much of digital-transformation innovation over the past some odd years has been about innovation in search of a solution rather than the other way around (the latter being the more traditional way of doing things). Consequently, there is even more likelihood of security considerations being left by the wayside.
mhhf1ve
10/14/2017 3:51:08 PM
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> "one could always ban IoT devices from the network.."
Hmm. I wonder how well this would work in practice. Sure, you might be able to ban some list of devices that are known to be insecure.. but what about devices that people want to use, but aren't known to be insecure? This could make it somewhat annoying for IoT networks to grow.. and the incentives aren't going to align to hinder growth.
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@mhh: It's ultimately the same scenario as "to BYOD or not to BYOD". Same IT concerns, fundamentally.
The only real primary problems that I can see are enforcement and discovery (I mean, from a security standpoint; there are considerations of accessibility, practicality, employee morale, etc., that also have to be factored in here).
Michelle
10/30/2017 2:11:43 PM
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I think you're right about this possibility. I use an app scanner on my phone and I get alerts for apps that are considered safe, but have a low reputation (or not enough reviews in the app store). This alert asks if I'd like to install anyway. I wonder if device access might work that way -- I suspect it would take a lot of time to review devices and approve.
elizabethv
10/11/2017 7:28:01 AM
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@afwriter - Right?! I kept going back and forth too. It's all so important, security in general needs to be a concern, across the board. Equifax should be proof of that.
afwriter
10/11/2017 10:05:30 PM
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Re: This was a tough one.
I think you're right, it's so hard to choose because we just need more security overall. I would say that individual experience probably influences respondent's decisions too. For instance, if you have ever had a phone hacked you probably think that mobile security is the most important.
Re: This was a tough one.
@afwriter: I'd have gone the opposite direction and said None of the above. Specifically, I'd have preferred to see an option on user education.
Lacking that, I shrugged and said platforms and devices.
afwriter
10/13/2017 11:28:41 PM
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@Joe, That is an interesting point. The most logical answer may be a mixture of both with a lean towards your suggestion.
srufolo1
10/13/2017 11:48:28 AM
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Tough One
This poll was really tough, but after much thought I checked off the NFV/SDN security need. Was surprised that "from cloud to customer endpoints" was not a higher percentage as that seems to be the sticking point for enterprises to migrate to the cloud -- security.
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@srufolo: Not to mention that, as secure in a vacuum as they may be compared to most (if not all) of their customers, cloud providers are much bigger and more attractive targets BECAUSE of that critical mass of data and access that they collect/have. It's rather the opposite of security by obscurity. It's "security" with a big red target on your back.
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