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clrmoney
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12/1/2017 1:05:54 PM
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Streaming video adopts new things and ideas
Streaming video is something very popular that is used today for a variety of things such as watching videos online with PC Tablets etc.  I think that it will be much more to come from this in the near future with the constant technology that coming out.

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JohnBarnes
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12/1/2017 3:06:41 PM
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And replacement will take care of the rest
Given that Americans replace TVs an average of every 4 years according to Department of Commerce, and that pretty soon there won't be any non-smart TVs available, it'll probably go from all-but-ubiquitous to "ubiquitous except for a few ancient oddballs" by 2020.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/4/2017 1:23:38 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
I'm not so sure that I *want* a non-smart TV -- and apparently, I'm not part of the population that replaces a TV every 4 years. I don't look forward to software updates for my TV to keep malware at bay. And I'm perfectly happy connected an XBox or Apple TV to a dumb display to get a "smarter" TV -- instead of relying on the "app bloat" of a generic smart TV. 

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Ariella
Ariella
12/4/2017 2:01:16 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
@mhhf1ve I'm sure down the road, smart TVs will be designed to deliver custom ads to people. Perhaps then the commercials you see will be different than your neighborh's even for the same show.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/4/2017 2:26:51 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
Youtube TV already delivers semi-customized ads to each user's video stream, and I assume if Hulu had enough ad inventory, it would do the same. I don't see how "dumb displays" ever go away, actually. Some company will continue to sell them, and I don't understand why "everyone" would prefer a smart TV over a dumb one (yet). The display can be dumb, and you probably want to keep it that way so that you can upgrade the smart devices that are connected to it. 

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Ariella
Ariella
12/4/2017 2:36:55 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
@mhhf1ve I think it's about what appeals to particular types. I'd guess that the same people who opt for smart home systems also would opt into smart TVs.

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afwriter
afwriter
12/4/2017 4:22:37 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
@Mhhfive I think that is already happening. It is hard to go on Amazon and find a "dumb" TV. I'm pretty sure we have had similar conversations before, but I think you are right that at least one company will continue to make "dumb" screen and then charge a premium for not having all the bells and whistles. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/4/2017 7:50:26 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
Hopefully, there will always be "PC monitors" -- which would effectively be "dumb TVs" since almost no one uses OTA reception anymore. I can't imagine PC monitors will go away, and they'll probably get bigger -- to be the size of a living room TV someday. 

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batye
batye
12/4/2017 11:45:03 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
@mhhf1ve I would agree but you never know the way technology turn up as this days everyone wants all in one solution... and sometimes technology what did not pickup much in the past in 6 years everyone start hyping about it... on the top of my head example would be Netbooks did not pick up in 1999/2000 but from 2005 to 2010 everyone was getting one... go fugure... 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/5/2017 9:11:52 AM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
Well, I'm actually hoping that screens go away, and projectors become the main display technology. Then I'll only need a blank wall instead of a whole dedicated area in my living room.

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batye
batye
12/5/2017 11:37:36 AM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
@mhhf1ve yes, you are soo right it would be easy on the living space... but whom knows maybe soon it gonna become reality everywhere...

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afwriter
afwriter
12/5/2017 12:03:23 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
I'm not sure if it ever came to fruition, but I think it was Samsung was working on a close-range projector so it looked like a small entertainment center but projected a big picture onto the wall behind it. I would love to have something like that. I love the idea of a projector but they can be kind of a pain to set up and connect to. 

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batye
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12/5/2017 3:59:28 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
@afwriter  also I heard about Sony doing/planning something simular year ago... but it seems Sony drop off this project... 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/6/2017 1:41:01 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
I'm optimistic that some company will come up with a micro-projector that could turn living rooms into mini IMAX theaters. I'd really like to be able to get rid of a "TV stand" and all the consoles in it -- and maybe mount smart devices on a wall or the ceiling to free up some more walking space.

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afwriter
afwriter
12/7/2017 12:46:38 AM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
I'm with you 100% on this. I think the technology is there or nearly there, the problem is not just the projector, it is that no matter how small the projector gets the Ultra 4K player is going to stay the same size and HDMI cables only go so far. Of course, you can mount that stuff too, but it becomes an overhead space issue. 

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batye
batye
12/7/2017 3:37:20 AM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
@mhhf1ve I could not agree more I think also the same way something will pop up on the market one day... 

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faryl
faryl
12/31/2017 8:51:57 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
My friend has her set-up like that. Itís great because it doesnít make the TV the central focus of her living room - I think it looks more inviting & ďhomeyĒ that way. (Although her projector isnít great, so the room has to be really dark to watch anything!!

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
1/2/2018 2:47:37 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
Yah, I won't be switching to a projector TV until the tech gets MUCH better. Brightness, as you note, is a key challenge. (And also the reason why movie theaters are still super darkened rooms, too.) Perhaps when laser projectors get more affordable? 

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faryl
faryl
1/31/2018 10:11:04 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
I agree. She actually had to install extra blinds just to make it dark enough.

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afwriter
afwriter
12/4/2017 4:20:13 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
I have a Roku TV and I may just be being paranoid, but I'm pretty sure the home screen already sends targeted ads my way based on what I have watched.

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Ariella
Ariella
12/4/2017 4:45:04 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
@afwriter you can experiment by getting a friend to tune into the same thing. But it only would work if that friend would have established some different enough viewing habits to warrant getting different targeted ads.

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faryl
faryl
12/31/2017 8:48:41 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
Iím with you. Iíve had the same TV for 6+ years (and had an old second-hand, non-flat screen one before that!) It has smart functionality, but I havenít connected it to my network because the technology is a bit outdated & I worry about malware...or even just a buggy update doing something to mess it up.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
1/31/2018 3:44:43 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
Thatís the only tough thing. People still have great TVs that work even if they are a few years old, but the mechanics to do other things are all outdated and many arenít sold anymore..

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faryl
faryl
1/31/2018 10:17:38 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
Knock on wood, this TV has been really reliable. I have no plans to replace it until it completely dies. My vision isnít really good enough to warrant buying higher definition technology :)

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dlr5288
dlr5288
2/27/2018 12:25:55 PM
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Re: And replacement will take care of the rest
Yeah Iím the same way! I hold on to things until they die, which isnít always the best, but..

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afwriter
afwriter
12/3/2017 9:01:55 PM
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There's a lot of redundancy
I am starting to find that all these smart devices are a little redundant. I don't need a smart Blu-ray player for my smart TV that is also attached to a Chromecast but you can't find Blu-ray players or TVs that aren't smart anymore. It makes the devices cost more and you don't even use their features.

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batye
batye
12/3/2017 11:19:39 PM
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Re: There's a lot of redundancy
@afwriter yes, you are right, but I think BR players right now is almost dead... or near it... 

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Adi
Adi
12/4/2017 8:03:54 AM
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Re: There's a lot of redundancy
Yes, to JohnBarnes' point, features tend to become essentially ubiquitous fairly quickly and Internet connectivity is fast becoming a pretty basic requirement for any device. 

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afwriter
afwriter
12/3/2017 9:07:02 PM
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Short Videos
<But its not clear if this preference is maintained for shorter form videos, such as short user-generated content>

I had a Vine app on my Roku once and it was terrible. I think short form content is all but made for mobile and the extra time it takes to get it up on your TV makes watching the content less enjoyable. 

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Adi
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12/4/2017 8:01:50 AM
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Re: Short Videos
and quality is also an issue -- video optimized for mobile devices looks pretty awful on a large screen TV

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/6/2017 1:45:20 PM
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Smart console wars
Amazon and Google are starting a platform war. And Google is going nuclear by removing YouTube from FireTV devices starting in 2018. I think that will nearly kill my desire to use my FireTV. If Amazon retaliates by removing Prime Videos from Chromecast -- that will be a mistake for both sides.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
12/6/2017 5:31:15 PM
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Re: Smart console wars
mhhf1ve,

The history of platform wars has not been a happy one. I really can't think of any example in which either the consumers or any of the businesses involved came out better off for one. Platform wars call for a more aggressive regulatory policy than the US is currently willing to provide; they violate at least the spirit of antitrust and assured competition, and are little more than a spiteful game of beggar-my-neighbor.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/6/2017 5:48:20 PM
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Re: Smart console wars
I wonder if any anti-trust agency will be able to step in for this recent console war. Google Play and Youtube aren't exactly dominant, but they're pretty close -- depending on how you count the competition. Apple TV isn't exactly a direct competitor. Amazon's FireTV is a closer competitor, but probably far smaller compared to Google or Apple. 

Does there need to be "app store" regulation? So far, the market hasn't quite pushed for it, but if the Apple App Store, Google Play, Amazon Appstore and Microsoft's App store don't play along nicely... maybe there will need to be some regulations? 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
12/6/2017 5:58:36 PM
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Re: Smart console wars
mhhf1ve,

I think it has more to do with whether the regulating bodies (and nations) have the will to do it. Laws against anti-competitive practices like predatory pricing and exclusionary contracts are more than a century old. The thing is that anti-competition is itself such an easily concealed process that to work, regulations have to allow -- or demand --  massive intrusion by regulators into corporate interal practices and huge penalties for concealment. Our present regulatory culture really won't support either, let alone both.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/6/2017 7:05:47 PM
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Re: Smart console wars
Well, there is a fine balancing act to institute regulations without stifling innovation and economic advances. The EU tends to regulate more heavily than the US, but some would argue that the EU regulatory environment is what holds it back from being as innovative as the US is. One could also argue that the Chinese regulatory environment might be even less strict in some sense than the US (eg. allowing for almost any kind of stem cell research without the strict ethical considerations other nations have adopted), and we might see other nations jump ahead if they offer an "anything goes" environment. Such predictions are the premise of science fiction books like Artemis in which the space rocketry industry is dominated by an African nation that doesn't regulate the space industry at all (thereby becoming the dominant location for rockets to launch from). 

https://nerdist.com/andy-weir-artemis-book-details-cover-the-martian-movie-exclusive/

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afwriter
afwriter
12/7/2017 12:50:41 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
I just read about this in the news. I thought it was weird that I couldn't find the Chromecast on Amazon when I was shopping for it. They need to get it together and realize that they have a near symbiotic relationship. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/7/2017 1:08:23 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
Well, not exactly. Amazon is forking Android and creating a direct competitor to Google Play. So it's not quite symbiotic for Google. Google is not really getting much in return for developing Andtoid and having Amazon not play by Android's rules.

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batye
batye
12/7/2017 3:39:54 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
@afwriter I hope so... but for now the way thing look up they gonna keep fighting... 

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
12/7/2017 8:32:52 PM
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Re: Smart console wars
It is in the end about everything being seamelss, isn't it?   It is still "there" though in many ways because we still have to go thru a lot of "steps" for instance if we want to go anywhere out of either the "Google" or "amazon" ecosystem unless one, for instance, has a Home or an Echo device to talk things thru--maybe I am continuing to expect too much.   

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/7/2017 11:23:03 PM
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Re: Smart console wars
It would be funny if the battle between Google and Amazon resulted in Apple or Roku gaining a dominant market position. Or allowing some startup from China to beat them all somehow.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
12/8/2017 12:35:22 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
I have had both units and both have been great--the hardware is the hardware--the key is content right now--right?

 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/8/2017 9:09:32 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
Yes when it comes to TV dongles like Chromecast or FireTV -- I doubt anyone cares what the hardware looks like. And the performance of these smart TV dongles is pretty much indistinguishable. So it's software UI and content. Amazon's Fire TV seems a bit less polished than Chromecast, because it's probably a bit less developed. But if Alexa gets better, then maybe Chromecast's polish doesn't matter.

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mpouraryan
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12/8/2017 9:41:52 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
I find that intersting that  you note how FireTV is not "Polished"--I would argue that of all the three major "streaming devices", they're pretty much up to par...but if I want to grade one higher, I'd say it is ROKU.   But that's just me....

Onward to the w-end.

 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/8/2017 10:55:48 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
I haven't tried the Roku yet, but I assume it's closer to the smooth Apple TV experience since it's a bit pricier than the Fire TV or Chromecast. You get what you pay for (oftentimes). Surprisingly, I'm not impressed by the Xbox interface either -- and Msft keeps changing it slightly, but that only makes the experience somewhat jarring since you can never really rely on consistently being able to navigate menus the same way. The Xbox also annoyingly updates automatically so there's no way to try to maintain a familiar interface.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
12/8/2017 10:58:05 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
Actually the Roku stick is pretty competitive--and many of the subsequent improvements by Apple, in my view, were in response to ROKU.   It will be interesting to see how that battle works its' out--Apple & Amazon, remember, are also knee deep in the content business too.....

 

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mhhf1ve
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12/8/2017 11:29:53 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
It's also fascinating to me how TiVo has lost out to along these devices. TiVo used to have the best UI for video surfing, but now it's just another DVR console among a vast array of dongles and consoles.

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dcawrey
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12/8/2017 5:38:38 PM
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Re: Smart console wars
This new generation of streaming means people need to have devices to connect. Just viewing on a laptop is not good enough anymore. Streaming devices I think are a huge opportunity in media to generate revenue. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/8/2017 6:22:51 PM
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Re: Smart console wars
Laptops are going to merge with phones someday. Chromebooks are already running Android apps. Apple is expected to turn iPads into laptops too. The future of macOS is uncertain as iOS becomes more powerful and capable of replacing macOS completely.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
12/9/2017 10:17:50 PM
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Re: Smart console wars
I'm not totally sure we're going to see a convergence like that. 

The idea of merging all devices into one device to beat them all has never materialized. I think we'll see a lot of form factors instead, actually. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/10/2017 1:10:57 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
Sure, I think several form factors for devices will continue to exist and even multiply-- but I think we'll start to see consolidation of user interfaces. The difference between iOS and macOS is shrinking-- and maybe with improving recognition interfaces, we'll just be using more gestures and voice controls.

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Shaunn
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12/11/2017 10:56:10 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
I can remember a long time ago when smart cellular phones had physical keyboards and micro touch pads for mouse control. Now touchscreen Apple-style homescreens are the standard, presumably because they're superior.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
12/11/2017 1:55:41 PM
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Re: Smart console wars
I don't think touchscreens are always superior to physical keyboards-- otherwise we'd be typing on touchscreens instead of desktop keyboards. But for small handheld devices -- screen real estate is a premium that can't be wasted on keys that reduce the screen size availability.

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Shaunn
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12/11/2017 7:00:15 PM
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Re: Smart console wars
Most definitely. I only meant that in something like technological devices, the best way to do things will spread and inferior systems will diminish, like how MacOS and iOS are growing closer together, though in this case, physical face keyboards vs digital keyboards.

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batye
batye
12/13/2017 2:26:07 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
@Shaunn it more like Apple universe but now Google vs Amazon trying to follow Apple and do the same... I hope at the end as consumers we end up with something better... 

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batye
batye
12/13/2017 2:24:32 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
@mhhf1ve I'm old school I prefer physical keyboard in my devices... but it could be just my way of life... :) 

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batye
batye
12/13/2017 2:23:28 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
@Shaunn I do not know but the way I see it Apple copy few thing from old phones and pda's... as in 1999/2000 I did see mini netbook with touch screen and start/home button build in the side... but customers did not respond to it... 

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batye
batye
12/13/2017 2:21:08 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
@mhhf1ve the way I see it on the gaming market I would say Yes only to voice control as Microsoft started dropping Kinect and I think Sony will do the same with they motion... I think we are not ready for gestures - yet... but you never know... 

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batye
batye
12/13/2017 2:18:06 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
@dcawrey I recall HP/Compaq try it with Ipaq HP5550 model - like all in one including cellphone and gps via add on optional jackets for the PDA... but it never did pick up off the ground... in 2000... 

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batye
batye
12/13/2017 2:15:56 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
@mhhf1ve yes you are right I think it aslready started as in some of my customers new laptops I did started seeing more and more near battery compartment non working slot for SIM card... unless I'm mistaken... 

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batye
batye
12/13/2017 2:13:58 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
@dcawrey yes you are right but everything is changing the way I see it...  as example ... few weeks ago I did see stores clearing Steam Link boxes at $5.99 - fire sale... you never know... as price of streaming devices keep droping low and low 

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batye
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12/13/2017 2:11:07 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
@mpouraryan I do not know why but at the finish line I would see Amazon... as Amazon dropping prices plus brining Fire TV products to Canada at the deep discount rate... 

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
12/13/2017 10:43:17 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
In the "Transformation journeY" we have all embrarked upon, there is no "end"--there is only progress and continued engagement.    The challenge is to sustain it for the betterment of all.  I am confident that what I have deemed the "FANGS" (Facebook; Apple' Netflix" Google/Alphabet: et. al) recognize it as we await the arrival of 2018.

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batye
batye
12/13/2017 2:09:13 AM
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Re: Smart console wars
@mhhf1ve with Roku you did not miss much as this everyone more in the Fire TV, Chromecast and Apple TV... Roku is on decline - this days the way I see it... 

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