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clrmoney
1/4/2018 12:04:48 PM
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5G Embrace Cloud
5G will be an advancement for a lot of companies and it will be with Cloud and working together will create magic when it comes to how people do businesses and their products etc.
DHagar
1/4/2018 5:11:48 PM
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Re: 5G Embrace Cloud
@clrmoney, good vision! And I believe that GSMA has a great understanding with identifying interoperability as being a key "enabler" of market development.
batye
1/4/2018 10:54:38 PM
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@clrmoney the way I see it if everything get done right at the end 5G will only be developing more and more...
freehe
1/23/2018 9:34:40 PM
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5G will provide greater capacity and reduce latency. 5G will be able to implemented in rural or underserved areas. 5G will help gather multiple networks on one platform, provide uninterrupted connectivity worldwide, support more connections, and should be manageable with previous versions such as 4G and 4G LTE.
dlr5288
1/31/2018 7:35:22 PM
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The one thing I’m looking forward to most with 5G is how far it will be able to reach. So the connection can truly be spread over mostly everywhere!
Shaunn
1/5/2018 6:10:54 PM
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5G Embrace Cloud
Common standards make everything better. Standardizig the Cloud will definitly allow for scaling. Maybe as a side affect, common standards will help us embrace the cloud better in general as well.
Ariella
1/8/2018 10:27:03 AM
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Re: 5G Embrace Cloud
@Shaunn yes, it's difficult to progress without common standards to keep people on the same page with clear points of comparison.
Ariella
1/8/2018 10:27:04 AM
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@Shaunn yes, it's difficult to progress without common standards to keep people on the same page with clear points of comparison.
I wonder about surge capacity
In any kind of realtime service from internet down to sewers, one of the economic complexities is that typically you have revenue depending on average capacity usage but performance has to be evaluated on surge capacity -- e.g. storm sewers have to be built for something beyond the maximum known rainstorms, electric companies have to be able to supply power for beyond-record heat, social media have to be able to accomodate national crises that everyone wants to jabber about, etc.
If the telcos supply 5G entirely through the cloud, will the necessary feedback reach the actual providers in the cloud? Because where each service provider running its own servers and physical network would have to maintain some awareness of the maximum possible surges and when and how they might happen, if all the providers are actually sharing a finite pool of resources (concealed from them by the fact that they just buy more as they need it), all over the planet -- what happens if there's a universal surge? Will the cloud providers have planned for, e.g., a major international crisis in which large amounts of resources are commandeered for (or shut down by) military activity, the financial markets have a huge amount of money to move out of harm's way, and the media have to inform billions of people through thousands of channels -- all at once?
Re: I wonder about surge capacity
@JohnBarnes: Seems like it will never be economically feasible to plan for such an outlier. You can only plan for known variabilities that happen frequently enough to justify capacity for it. For the extreme demands, rationing is the only way to go IMHO.
Re: I wonder about surge capacity
Kishore,
Well, rationing of one kind or another is usually how we handle above-surge-capacity situations when they happen -- power brownouts, throttling, etc. The only alternative at the time is system failure (a.k.a. shutdowns or things like flooding and paralyzed traffic jams).
In the longer run the big failures lead to expansion of surge capacity via direct or indirect political demand (i.e. if it's a public utility, voters demand that they build more, or if it's supplied by the private sector, some combination of government bribery and arm-twisting forces capacity higher).
Of course nothing would actually prevent some foresight, but it generally takes one or more crashes against the capacity ceiling before anyone gets serious about it. And since there's not much immediate profit in building way over capacity, it's a classic case where the market is not going to solve it by itself.
Re: I wonder about surge capacity
@JohnBarnes: There is actually a better solution with ad-hoc networks which simply build a network out of available devices. For example, demand for communications goes up during wildfires. You could interconnect all the helicopters, firefighting vehicles, and those affected. The last time I checked, the technology for managing traffic on such networks is still a challenge though. I am sure it can be improved if there is more chatter about them instead of the political option which can only be inefficient.
Re: I wonder about surge capacity
Kishore,
Certainly there's a market for quickly assemblable ad hoc networks, and so we'll be getting more, bigger, more flexible, and all around better ad hoc networks from the market. And I don't doubt that they will greatly alleviate and forestall surge capacity problems.
As I see it, there are three flies in that particular ointment:
1. The tendency for surge capacity to become base capacity over time (as mhhf1ve and I were batting around; ad hoc networks are likely to be so useful for everything from tourist-attracting events to flu outbreaks to handling rush hours to big shopping days that the resources used in the ad hoc networks will always be moving into everyday use.
2. Basic result in market economics -- entities with the average v. surge problem do build some overcapacity; monopolies build less overcapacity than less concentrated markets do. So the tendency of the cloud to concentrate resources (and thus keep them in use) is likely to aggravate things.
3. And by the same token, as there get to be a very large number of businesses that are just reselling cloud services, it may not be visibie how few resources there actually are, so we might not notice before something goes blooey.
mhhf1ve
1/9/2018 1:48:26 PM
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Re: I wonder about surge capacity
The wireless networks probably won't be able to handle "surge capacity" for quite some time -- unless we develop and implement some kind of technology that greatly expands the bandwidth of electromagnetic spectrum. So in the meantime, I think ISPs will probably just start prioritizing traffic in various ways (now that they're allowed to do so freely).
Researchers have been developing ways to cram more data into wireless signals...
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/190408-towards-infinite-capacity-wireless-networks-with-twisted-vortex-radio-waves
Re: I wonder about surge capacity
mhhf1ve,
Given the way that usage of telecommunications tends to expand to fill available capacity, I think the surge capacity problem is probably going to be with us forever; every time we get a jam and find a combination of added construction and improved tech to prevent having another one, that additional capacity will quickly be utilized and become part of the base load. Look at irrigation water in the Southwest, electric power from TVA and BPA, or computers themselves (remembering Thomas Watson's comment in 1958 that 'I think there is a world market for about five computers.' -- as it happened, Mr. Watson's company ended up building rather more than that, because every time you added capacity, it got used ...).
So I suspect that when the planet is covered in a blanket of nanoprocessors 20 meters deep, it will be discovered that for peak needs, we really need 25 meters ...
mhhf1ve
1/9/2018 2:57:24 PM
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Re: I wonder about surge capacity
> "I think the surge capacity problem is probably going to be with us forever.."
I tend to think that human demands will be covered in the future.. the surge capacity problem will probably plague AI, though, since it won't have any physical restraints like us, beside energy consumption. :P
JohnBarnes
1/10/2018 2:19:43 PM
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Re: I wonder about surge capacity
mhhf1ve,
Wow, I hadn't thought of that but you are obviously right. especially considering current directions in big data and data science. Deep learning/machine learning in real time -- the sort of thing that will be needed to take full advantage of the widespread use of autonomous vehicles, immediate response logistics nets, all sorts of big rapid-response systems from games to financial markets -- are going to be gigantic high-speed data pigs with ever-increasing appetites. Even if we reach the point where every human being is getting as much data as s/he can or wants to absorb, improvements in products, services, and quality of life delivered via data and processing from the cloud are going to keep pushing the demand higher and higher for generations.
Machines are going to be better than people at everything -- including hogging bandwidth!
mhhf1ve
1/11/2018 12:52:51 PM
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> "Machines are going to be better than people at everything -- including hogging bandwidth!"
This will undoubtedly be true. M2M communications will likely grow far beyond the traffic that us mere humans can generate. We can just look at the rate of content generation now to see that machines will outpace us easily when it comes to data production.
JohnBarnes
1/11/2018 6:08:17 PM
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Re: I wonder about surge capacity
mhhf1ve,
There's a secondary effect there that I think is even larger: to produce the same amount of human-read message, an AI moves vastly more data around through vastly more steps.
mhhf1ve
1/11/2018 6:37:44 PM
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Re: I wonder about surge capacity
But even if AI bots were "quieter" -- it might be much easier to clone a TuringTestWinning bot than to raise a kid. So perhaps AI souls will also outnumber us quickly, too.
freehe
1/23/2018 9:37:11 PM
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Re: I wonder about surge capacity
@mhhf1ve. Good point. However I don't think 5G will solve all capacity and bandwith problems but will be a good start. With AI, cloud services and IoT there will need to be other solutions developed to process, stream, analyze and track the large amount of data that will be generated and accessed using 5G.
freehe
1/23/2018 9:44:06 PM
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B2B
The article didn't mention specifically how "new opportuniites will be in the B2B, B2B2 and B2G areas". That would be interesting to know.
5G providing low latency services will be great including increased uptime, scalability, affordabiity and responsiveness.
dlr5288
1/31/2018 7:37:04 PM
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Re: B2B
Another great point you bring up is how 5G will be financially suitable for many people. That’s one of the things that was so difficult. Getting a good price, not only for companies, but consumers as well. For as many people to enjoy 5G as possible.
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