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clrmoney
2/21/2018 7:34:29 AM
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Vodafone on 5G
This is a great move for Vodafone and I particularly like the part about the video call to make it easier when you are using 5G data etc.
afwriter
2/21/2018 9:32:18 AM
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Re: Vodafone on 5G
This is cool, but I guess I'm more underwhelmed by this news than I thought I would be. Still, I wonder how this small achievement will affect consumer confidence in Vodafone in the future.
Re: Vodafone on 5G
@afwriter:
Agree with you that this is a small achievement, but could be a worthy milestone for Vodaphone. It is certainly interesting to wait and watch how much of an impact this would create in terms of customers gaining confidence.
srufolo1
2/22/2018 11:29:39 PM
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Re: Vodafone on 5G
@afwriter Basically I'm thinking what's the big deal about a phone call? What made it different from any other phone call made with a regular iPhone? Maybe you just had to be there to experience it.
elizabethv
2/23/2018 9:07:43 AM
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Re: Vodafone on 5G
@srufolo1 - Maybe the excitement with the phone call centered more around the historic precedent than the actual ability of the call itself. As a history buff I probably would have been really excited to be a part of the call, even if it ended up feeling like the exact same quality as a 4G phone call. I would probably relive the experience to my husband so often he became sick of me telling it.
Ariella
2/24/2018 10:01:37 PM
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Re: Vodafone on 5G
LOL @elizabeth so for the sake of your marriage, perhaps it's best that you weren't directly involved. Yes, we have a lot of firsts that are not necessarily that different in experience from what went on before but still make use of new tech that prove its viability.
elizabethv
2/28/2018 10:10:23 PM
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Re: Vodafone on 5G
@Areilla - Lol, I'm sure my husband is just as grateful. Everything has to have a first, but it's kind of nice when that first follows along with tradition and those that have gone before us. I really do wonder what the true quality was like though. I know now, with our current technology, even most communications between us and Asia comes with a lag. My brother is in Japan and I have yet to have been able to talk to him without at least a slight lag. I have to wonder if 5G will fix that lag.
Ariella
3/1/2018 8:58:11 PM
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Re: Vodafone on 5G
@elizabethV I didn't realize there is still a lag issue. With all the international business communication that has to take place, you'd think it would have been fixed by now!
Re: Vodafone on 5G
@srufolo1:
I hear what you are saying. I agree that it could be the whole call experience as well as their ability to pull it to this point, which i am sure they consider as an accomplishment.
Unfortunately on experience, we can only go by what we hear about speed and latency. What they revealed appear to be promising.
Response Times
The operator used a dual 4G-to-5G connection for the voice call, and a 5G data connection for the video call. It said it reached speeds exceeding 2Gbps and latency of 10 milliseconds.
That is interesting piece of information to know that they chose to use dual for voice call and exclusive %G data for the video and it makes sense for video call. In any case i think response times are not bad at all.
Coincidence
What a coincidence....Just this morning i read about AT&T's plan to roll out 5G network into 12 cities by end of 2018 and they announed first three cities in the list - Dallas, Waco and Atlanta. AT&T will announce rest of the cities in coming months. Sprint and T-Mobile have similar plans targetted for 2019.
elizabethv
2/22/2018 10:31:11 AM
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Re: Coincidence
I don't know why I'm so anxious to see if AT&T plans to roll 5G out to Denver by the end of the year. I don't even have AT&T. And honeslty wouldn't switch even if they were. Lol. Verizon seems to be the slowest to take it up but I supposed we've talked about this and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. They'll let the others catch the bugs.
Re: Coincidence
@elizabethv:
Eventually all players will have to play the catch up. And they are getting ready as we hear from Sprint, TMobile setting their targets for 2019. Apparently AT&T seems to be on the leading edge on this.
afwriter
2/22/2018 11:21:02 PM
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Re: Coincidence
I live in the Twin Cities area and I'm an AT&T subscriber. Given how active they are in my area I would not be surprised if we ended up on the list. I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little giddy at the prospect.
Re: Coincidence
@afwriter:
Ofcourse, you got to keep a close watch on their future announcemnet of rest of the cities in the list for 2018 5G rollout.
freehe
2/21/2018 7:49:44 PM
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Vodafone
Does Vodafone have proof of the 5G call? A company can say anything but unless they have proof it is hard to substantiate their claim. If there some entity or company that can certifiy that the call was 5G?
Huawei was a partner on the 5G call.
freehe
2/21/2018 9:23:01 PM
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Vodafone 5G Call
The 5G call had speeds that are eight times faster than the current 4G standard.
Vodafone made the call from Castelldefels near Barcelona, to Madrid using the 3.7 GHz bandwidth that will be included in the rollout of 5G.
"Huawei is totally committed to the development of the technology of the 5G network and today's test shows the maturity of 5G development on the standards approved by the 3GPP," said Yang Chaobin, the president of Huawei's 5G product line.
freehe
2/21/2018 9:25:56 PM
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Vodafone 5G First Call
Huawei is working with Vodafone to start commercial trials. Implementing a 5G call in Spain was a huge accomplishment for the country in digital transformation.
It is great to see companies in different countries partner together to implement a new technology.
afwriter
2/23/2018 10:10:30 PM
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Re: Vodafone 5G First Call
It's all about that interoperability! We are seeing it in the U.S. but I wish we could see companies like Huawei partner with U.S. companies not only to drive innovation but help the U.S. catch up to the Asian and European countries that are seeming to stretch their lead in the telco market.
freehe
2/21/2018 9:28:49 PM
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5G Call
Huwaei made the call and the video call using a 4G to 5G connection. Huwaei used the Non-standalone (NSA) 3GPP 5G new radio (NR) standard and sub6 GHz spectrum. A 5G NR end-to-end test network was built setup the call.
freehe
2/21/2018 9:31:43 PM
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5G Complete
The developers started working in December 2017 on the 5G call. It is remarkable that they were able to accomplish the 5G call in just two short months. The call was also implemented two months after the 3GPP completed the 5G Non-standalone NR standard in December 2017.
freehe
2/21/2018 9:34:21 PM
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5G More Calls
Vodafone and Huwaei conducted several lab tests using a single traditional IP microwave link to throttle speeds of up to 2.7Gbps using 5G apparatus. Vodafone has plans to test if it is possible to reach speeds of up to 4Gbps using a single link.
freehe
2/21/2018 9:36:33 PM
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5G Test
The call was made from a computer in Barcelona by Vodafone and answered on a mobile phone in the Vodafone's Madrid headquarters. Several telecom are also planning to deploy 5G networks by the end of 2018. Qualcomm and Intel and working to develop 5G chipsets for smartphones.
afwriter
2/22/2018 11:27:16 PM
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Re: 5G Test
I think that it is important to note here that the companies are WORKING on chipsets so even though Vodafone made this call it won't be readily accessible to the likes of us for at least another year.
Re: 5G Test
@afwriter:
Good point. It may take atleast another year for them to plan any kind of rollout. What they just did was their trial run.
That way AT&T is ahead in this game.
elizabethv
2/28/2018 10:16:30 PM
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Re: 5G Test
@afwriter - I agree, that is very important to note. But the average layperson won't even think about that kind of thing. The idea will be that AT&T, or whatever company, is leading the way in making 5G available, and it will without a doubt at least draw some customers over. People who are drawn more to hype than anything else.
Michelle
2/28/2018 10:43:58 PM
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Re: 5G Test
I have never talked about mobile service specs with friends. I really only talk about this stuff with you all here. Regular folks only know the service name.
freehe
2/21/2018 9:39:33 PM
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5G Telcos
Last week, Verizon and AT&T claimed they completed an "over-the-air call" using 5G. Telecoms are planning to deploy the fifth generation of wireless network by 2020 as a way to tackle IoT market. 5G will help to provide power to smart technology devices such as appliance like refrigerators, home alarms and doorbells.
elizabethv
2/22/2018 10:28:46 AM
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Watson!
"It wasn't quite as dramatic as Alexander Graham Bell's groundbreaking call to Mr. Watson."
I mean, maybe it wasn't. But I'm still excited. Especially when hearing the speed of the call. Since we recently moved I was forced to look once again into an internet provider. I received a quote from a company that offered me 25 MBPS. I was flabbergasted that anyone even considers that worthy of quoting to a customer. That's appalingly slow by today's standards. Needless to say, I declined their service. After hearing about this, I'm really excited about the possibilties with 5G.
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@elizabethv:
May not be too dramatic. But i agree with you knowing the speed of the call and the latence for video. Those are certainly promising and encouraging.
mhhf1ve
2/25/2018 1:23:14 PM
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Re: Watson!
Frankly, I'm more excited about SpaceX's Starlink satellites getting into space and testing out their communications capabilities.
https://web.archive.org/web/20180225182051/https://www.space.com/39785-spacex-internet-satellites-starlink-constellation.html
If SpaceX can get thousands of these microsatellites up... we'll have some REAL competition for broadband service.
Ariella
3/1/2018 8:59:19 PM
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Re: Watson!
@mhhf1ve I find there's just something about involving space launches that makes things more exciting -- even if they don't immediately translate into better communication systems.
mhhf1ve
3/2/2018 12:29:48 AM
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Re: Watson!
Drones creating a mesh network covering the globe in wireless broadband would be pretty exciting too!
batye
3/2/2018 12:58:47 AM
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Re: Watson!
@mhhf1ve yes, the drones and mech networks would make sense for now - until something better comes along...
mpouraryan
3/4/2018 11:02:37 PM
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Re: Watson!
Drones are here to stay--but as I was thinking abou the viability of 5G, I think the advent of iOT and things like "Air Taxis" are at the heart of where 5G will come into focus--telecoms can use the extra business--right?
batye
3/5/2018 1:52:05 AM
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Re: Watson!
@mpouraryan drones is a new reality I would prefer if they be use as search and rescue devices not a weapons of war...
Re: Watson!
There needs to be other priorities no doubt--the question is whether there will be enough brave souls to make sanity prevail. As I noted in previous comments--we have to be and not give up!!
mhhf1ve
3/6/2018 5:05:33 PM
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Re: Watson!
Maybe we can place our hope in Elon Musk's projects to dig us out of our hole. Or at least transport us to another planet where someone can start over? :P
Re: Watson!
We have to keep faith no matter what the challenges are. If that faith did not endure, we would not be where we are today--not withstanding the profound challenges we face.
Ariella
3/2/2018 11:36:27 AM
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Re: Watson!
@mhhf1ve Oh, yes, drones also have the extra coolness factor going on.
mhhf1ve
3/2/2018 7:05:03 PM
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Re: Watson!
Given that Russia has announced essentially "nuclear-powered drones" that can fly indefinitely anywhere on the globe... Drones are going to be incredible, and perhaps more important than regular LEO "satellites" that need rockets and fuel.
Solar powered drones that can fly indefinitely will probably be a bit more environmentally friendly... and those Russian nuke-drones are definitely not supposed to be friendly to anyone/anything.
batye
3/3/2018 3:02:27 AM
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@mhhf1ve the Russian's this day's selling too much of the hot air... while population trying to survive... remind me of NK...
mhhf1ve
3/3/2018 10:57:19 AM
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Re: Watson!
Reports say that the Pentagon dismissed this Russian threat. But I think the Doomsday Clock is still advancing.....
batye
3/4/2018 6:25:22 PM
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Re: Watson!
@mhhf1ve I would be worried more about military grade technologies what Russians develops very quetly hidden from public view as from what I read in Russian chat groups very very scary... example whould be perfecting mind control of the enemy HQ and perfecting Shkval
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval
and developoing new super side arms with smart bullets... sad reality Putin making propaganda work and Russians belive West plan to attack East...
mpouraryan
3/4/2018 11:01:12 PM
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Re: Watson!
I would appreciate you expand on this notion of Skyval and what it entails--I am not that much of a fan of Wikipedia?
batye
3/5/2018 1:51:04 AM
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Re: Watson!
@mpouraryan on russian chat boards I keep seeing people debating about shkval 2 - new modern torpedo version 2 in Russian... for me it a scary weapon... as it not easy to intercept it... from what I read in Russian and comprechend it...
Re: Watson!
Thank you for the guidance--I believe this is based on Putin's Speech. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail. We have to remain hopeful--right? That's the essence of transformation (althougH I was reprimanded by a Facebook Friend when I noted this!!)
batye
3/5/2018 3:54:18 AM
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@mpouraryan for me Putin is same dictator as NK crazy Kim Jong-il dictator... Russians starve and Putin spending money not on food on weapons... I do not give up hope... but life in Russia not easy as Russia become same as NK this days...
mhhf1ve
3/5/2018 10:53:35 PM
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Re: Watson!
China has also done away with Presidential term limits... I just hope the US doesn't follow suit!
batye
3/5/2018 11:05:51 PM
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Re: Watson!
@mhhf1ve you never know what future holds... but time will tell...
mhhf1ve
3/6/2018 1:25:18 PM
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Re: Watson!
May we live in interesting times? That's a rather ominous comment that could be quite scary for a pessimist...
batye
3/6/2018 1:32:05 PM
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Re: Watson!
@mhhf1ve the reality I trust we live in - We Won Cold War, but we lost the battle... and Cyber Battlefield get corrapted by ideas not supported by our way of life... but I hope for better future...
mhhf1ve
3/6/2018 5:04:01 PM
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Re: Watson!
The fear of "1984" totalitarian governments seems to have subsided since that book was written -- with only somewhat recently renewed concerns now. Video cameras everywhere. No privacy. History that can be re-written on Wikipedia in an instant. Fake News. It's all very disturbing.... Hopefully, we can avoid the worst outcomes.
mhhf1ve
3/5/2018 10:52:52 PM
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Re: Watson!
Did anyone really think the technology to "intercept" missiles really worked? SDI from the Reagon era wasn't feasible then, and it's still not feasible now...
mpouraryan
3/4/2018 11:00:17 PM
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Re: Watson!
Without getting into the politics of it, Putin's speech was scary--and that's putting it mildly. What I want us to think about is the true viablity of 5G--especially as 98% of all are having a phone--and why would this truly happen?
batye
3/3/2018 2:55:38 AM
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Re: Watson!
@Ariella the way i see it drones is the future and they are here to stay... it only matter of time before we gonna see drones everywhere...
batye
3/2/2018 1:00:46 AM
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Re: Watson!
@Ariella yes as we want to break free one day from the Earth gravity and technology do not show results right away but it right steps towards new technology and better future :) the way I see it...
srufolo1
2/22/2018 11:33:04 PM
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Vodafone Makes First 5G Call
Though not the most exciting news, this is a great example of how Huawei is partnering with many companies to deliver 5G in many different ways.
mhhf1ve
3/6/2018 6:20:50 PM
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First!
> "AT&T and Verizon have both claimed to have made "over the air" 5G calls in the past, Vodafone and Huawei say this is the first to be based on the standard."
The title of "first" is always going to be contested -- and if you put enough qualifiers on, you can get away with being the first to do "something" even if you're not really the first.
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