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elizabethv
elizabethv
3/21/2018 3:37:22 PM
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Re: 5G on Cars
@Ariella - it definitely completely killed any thoughts I ever had about being in an autonomous car. And there weren't many before the incident. Supposedly the woman wasn't in a crosswalk, but that doesn't really make me feel any better about the situation. Especially since there was a person behind the wheel. I'm really curious about all of the circumstances, was the driver able to stop it? Were they paying attention? I think it's just human nature to start to become overly comfortable with your circumstances and then let your guard down. Especially if someone has a phone on them. So was the driver distracted by their phone? Overly comfortable that the car would perform exactly as it was supposed to? 

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Ariella
Ariella
3/21/2018 3:20:46 PM
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Re: 5G on Cars
@ms.akinneini I agree with you. You definitely need some way to override the automatic setting quickly. 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
3/21/2018 3:18:59 PM
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Re: 5G on Cars
There has to be some trigger. For example we have cruise control setting in cars, but the moment a break is hit that setting is lost and will be back to normal mode. Something similar to switch the gear from auto drive to manned mode should help. In this case any sensor like object, person or something like that may be designed to stop the car or something of that sort may help. I am not an expert in designing the car, just my two cents. :)

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
3/21/2018 3:13:59 PM
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Re: 5G on Cars
Absolutely, it just will be matter of time. With time things will be faded off and these companies will work on resolving any obligatory issues that need the resolve and soon will get back in flight with the jorney.

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Ariella
Ariella
3/21/2018 3:13:41 PM
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Re: 5G on Cars
@JohnBarnes that makes sense. If you feel there is no value to checking, you will likey just space out. I can see that happening on longer drives, though likely not as much on a short one -- unless the person really falls asleep at the wheel.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
3/21/2018 3:11:54 PM
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Re: 5G on Cars
@John:

Yes, that is quiet natural factor. I agree that introducing mandatory monitoring into the routine just like ship/flight cruise has should help great deal in this context as well. I would hope that is something that the autonomous car companies would incrporate. 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
3/21/2018 3:02:04 PM
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Re: 5G is still in the future
Shaunn,

I've seen a probably-unsourced factoid that of the first 100 operating steamboats ever built, 97 blew up and 3 sank.  (One of those numbers that should be true even if it's an utter fib).  

"A social growth cannot find out the use of steam engines, until comes steam-engine-time. " — Charles Fort.

When there's enough motivation behind a social change, one way or another, the enabling technologies will be wrapped up in whatever legal arrangements are necessary to make them "affordable."  Exposing a bare coal face to poison a whole river would have gotten you flogged and forced to make restitution in most of Europe in the Middle Ages; since about 1700 it has been standard business practice, the efforts of the last 50 years to reverse that notwithstanding. Renaissance and later light laws would never have allowed skyscrapers.  But when the world (or its owners) decided they needed coal and skyscrapers, somehow or other the "consequences of those human choices" miraculously became "externalities about which nothing can be done."

There are two ways to fix the problem of AI-controlled vehicles being unsafe: your reasonable idea: make them safe according to present standards, which means creating human accountability for their behavior --

or the way it will actually be done: redefining safe.  

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
3/21/2018 2:50:54 PM
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Re: 5G on Cars
Joe, 

That's a great piece, and I think you're right.  In particular, for at least the relevant next few business cycles, publicized doubts about the safety of AI in controlling transportation can be used to jack premiums at the same time that "self-driving machines don't kill people" can be argued to hold down payouts.  It's really an insurance company's dream for the next few years, I'm afraid.

"People must be very careful to behave regularly and predictably so that machines do not become angry and kill them" -- Gregory Bateson.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
3/21/2018 2:43:06 PM
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Re: 5G on Cars
Ariella, Ms. Akkineni, 

It's a classic kind of thing in human factors studies: once the human operator normally doesn't have enough to do, the monitoring-and-stepping-in side of the job slides. Part of why bridge crews on ships and cockpit crews on long distance flights have a large number of routine checks they're supposed to do at particular times: it keeps them paying at least some attention to their surroundings.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
3/21/2018 2:37:57 PM
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Re: 5G on Cars
Ariella,

I doubt it will be more than a hiccup; the purpose of Uber, Lyft, etc. is to destroy/degrade jobs in the personal transportation industry, and there's nobody really opposing that -- traditional taxi companies and driver unions already lost the fight when they weren't able to prevent internet-jitney scams from entering the markets.  So there's really nobody to raise the alarm and keep it raised; most major media don't even have labor-affairs reporters anymore.  As soon as the story dies down, Uber (or any of its supposed competitors) will be back at it till the next time they kill someone, and they'll just repeat the cycle until the novelty wears off.  

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