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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
7/18/2016 7:28:43 AM
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Re: The biggest problem with Google brain is it kills creativity
mpouraryan,

Although I could mount a pretty good defense of memorizing phone numbers -- arbitrary memorization is in fact a useful skill and you might as well practice on something that can be handy in an emergency -- the point is that genuine effective creative thought relies on a deep understanding of the concepts, both general and particular, on which one is operating. Moving information from an easily-found window to your own window and clicking to submit your pile of information is not only the opposite of that creative process; it's exactly that pile-of-factoids approach you're decrying.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
7/18/2016 7:24:19 AM
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Re: The biggest problem with Google brain is it kills creativity
mhhf1ve,

 

"The last decade is far too short a time span for anything permanent to happen to the human population's overall intelligence..."


First of all, the reference was to critical thinking rather than intelligence, so the response is beside the point. Secondly, in fact for decades, there has been an about 3-point per decade rise in IQ, enough so that renormalization is required regularly, probably attributable to a wider use of critical and categorical thinking at earlier ages, but which has begun to slow and reverse in some economically advanced nations in the last decade. And finally, the abundance of evidence about environmental effects of information-poor (i.e. media-rich) environments on intelligence shows clear links between what kind of communication a kid spends time with and the kid's eventual functioning intelligence -- and early childhoods last a bit less than a decade.

Not buying that handwave at all. 

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
7/17/2016 4:00:07 PM
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Re: Mindset
Everything has to be in balance--it is how one utilizes it no question--but such evolution requires a sense of self-censorship that may well be required to ensure the long-term viability of the internet as we know it.

 

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
7/17/2016 3:58:17 PM
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Re: The biggest problem with Google brain is it kills creativity
What's so different than researching things "digitally" vs. "physically"?   It seems to me that the possibilities are ever so limitless?   As for Math specifically--the "wide and deep" focus as a result of Common Core achieves the very objectives you've had in mind (and I know there has been a lot of controversy about it...but I have seen the positive effects)....

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
7/17/2016 3:55:53 PM
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Re: The biggest problem with Google brain is it kills creativity
Here is another question in the same vein:  Should we not utilize our abilities in more "productive" ways than say, memorizing phone numbers?    We have to more than just 
"Factoids".     It is part of evolution--right?

 

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
7/17/2016 3:54:35 PM
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Re: The biggest problem with Google brain is it kills creativity
I respectfully disagree @elizabethv because the possibilities are becoming even more as a result of the web.   The problem is that the web (i.e. the internet) is being monopolized which may present long-term challenges to its' viability.   It has been the great equalizer in many respects, though.

 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
7/11/2016 8:02:25 AM
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Re: The biggest problem with Google brain is it kills creativity
ElizabethV,

Yep, the exchange/consumer model at work. I hand you n pages, you tell me how smart I am and give me a Finished a Course Green Stamp, roughly 40 semester Green Stamps or 60 quarter Green Stamps equals one Give the Kid an Income badge. What does where I got the pages from or whether there's anything coherent on them have to do with the exchange? I (or my parents)paid good money for those pages!

The internet is a place where that attitude can flourish; just consider how often we refer to what comes through it as "content", in a way rather similar to what plumbers call "liquids." I.e. doesn't matter whether it's pure clean drinking water or ... other content .... because we just worry about the pipes.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/11/2016 3:59:05 AM
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Re: The biggest problem with Google brain is it kills creativity
> "More than anything, I would say critical thought has flown right out the window in the last 5 to 10 years or so."

The last decade is far too short a time span for anything permanent to happen to the human population's overall intelligence... 

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elizabethv
elizabethv
7/8/2016 7:20:51 AM
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Re: The biggest problem with Google brain is it kills creativity
@mhh1ve - It doesn't surprise me that overal IQ has increased, but it also wouldn't surprise me if that number started dropping again. But you're right, IQ is really a measure of overal retained information, not necessarily knowledge. More than anything, I would say critical thought has flown right out the window in the last 5 to 10 years or so.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
7/8/2016 7:18:59 AM
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Re: The biggest problem with Google brain is it kills creativity
@JohnBarnes - The internet has most definitely hastened the death of scholarly research. As someone who has spent a number of years teaching college classes online, there was rarely a class where I didn't have a student no more than copy and paste random paragraphs found on the internet and turn that in as their entire assignment. Not one original sentence in the bunch. They would even go so far as to do the same thing on their discussion posts more often than not. Even when students could be bothered to write their own sentences, it was still rare to see them have their own opinions, much less the capability to support them. My 3-year-old has literally come up with better arguments than my students. It's insane what education is becoming anymore.

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