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afwriter
afwriter
7/6/2016 3:28:49 PM
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Applications are the future
I like how they didnt mess around and went straight for customers using applications.  Its less messy and everyone knows how to do it.  I wonder how much of a learning curve this is going to take and what kind of businesses are going to adopt it first.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/6/2016 9:00:51 PM
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Re: Applications are the future
I wonder when the trends of network as a service will filter down even further so that almost anyone could configure their own bandwidth requirements on demand. It'll be interesting to see how data caps might go away -- or be extended into all broadband.

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batye
batye
7/7/2016 2:33:16 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@mhhf1ve yes for USA :) but in Canada I see oposite where Internet providers changing from unlimited internet to capped one with limits 100GB a months and pay per GiG  after ...

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Ariella
Ariella
7/7/2016 3:53:48 PM
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Re: Applications are the future
@batye oh we get something like that too, though usually it's a matter of "the promotional period is over, so your bill will now increase by 40% for the exact same service."

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batye
batye
7/8/2016 1:34:47 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@Ariella in Canada - http://ica.net say it unlimited internet but after they charge your credit card 6x times more as in the contract... never again... and after they CSR have a nerve to ask you - why you no longer wanna be a http://ica.net/ -customer... ??? I'm speachless with way http://ica.net/ does things and get away with it!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Welcome to Canada :( - my internet provider ica.net -  horror story...

 

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Ariella
Ariella
7/8/2016 8:51:42 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@batye We do get a warning about promotions ending, but what is really dumb is that the carriers won't budge on that even when you tell them that you'll leave. In my area, there are only two providers for high speed internet: Verizon and Optimum. Both use the same tactic and only offer lower prices again after you've made the switch to the other carrier.

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batye
batye
7/8/2016 10:31:28 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@Ariella for me it was a scam by ica.net as during 1 year contract - where ica.net said I get  unlimited internet... they change the rules saying you are using too much unlimited internet... and did charge credit card 6x times more, what was written in the contract... in Canada many Co. like ica.net - do get away with this type of scam... - just my humble opinion...

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Ariella
Ariella
7/8/2016 11:44:03 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@batye did you contact your credit card company to get those charges reversed?

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batye
batye
7/8/2016 11:49:26 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@Ariella yes, but ica.net did it three times, twice credit card Co. did refund, third time no help... ica.net get away with this scam... as ica.net keep telling I'm using too much unlimited internet....

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Ariella
Ariella
7/8/2016 11:56:33 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@batye that is really awful. The company ought to be forced to refund that money and charged with fraud. 

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batye
batye
7/8/2016 11:59:49 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@Ariella Canada is just too liberal and many Co. get away with scamming customers...

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/7/2016 6:31:21 PM
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Re: Applications are the future
Canada and the US have mostly the same broadband data cap trends. So I think consumers will only see more data caps and usage meter pricing in North America. 

But it would certainly be interesting if mobile broadband and wired broadband could compete more directly and eliminate data caps. However, that'll never happen given the oligopoly of service providers.

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batye
batye
7/8/2016 1:36:51 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@mhhf1ve  from what I see as consumer in Canada we having worst if compared to USA... but do not let me started on internet quality in Russia and Ukraine... and they internet provider horror storys...

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/8/2016 4:58:26 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
Can't wait for more ISP competition from wireless drones and open source hardware networks and wireless balloons and LEO nanosatellites... 

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batye
batye
7/8/2016 5:04:21 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@mhhf1ve yes, I do hope so... and see better prices at the end :) 

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elizabethv
elizabethv
7/8/2016 7:35:25 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@mhh1ve - I sincerely hope we never see capped limits on all broadband usage. Or even just pay as you use. The ability to have WiFi is a financial savior for most of us. Though the seemingly endless amount of greed in this country would certainly make it seem like that reality is just down the road.

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vnewman
vnewman
7/8/2016 2:02:13 PM
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Re: Applications are the future
@elizabethv - "The ability to have WiFi is a financial savior for most of us."

I realized this more than ever as a traveled coast-to-coast the last two weeks.  When wifi wasn't available I had to rely on my cellular connection and racked up 5 or 6 overage charges to my account.  I wasn't happy about it - sometimes I couldn't avoid it, other times it was my own fault for not realizing I wasn't actually connected to wifi at all even though I had it set to autoconnect.  Lessons learned the hard way.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/9/2016 12:05:15 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
> "I sincerely hope we never see capped limits on all broadband usage.."

Too late. AT&T and Comcast are both moving in that direction, and I'm sure Verizon will, too. 

https://consumerist.com/2014/09/24/att-and-verizon-data-caps-on-home-internet-service-are-great-for-everyone-especially-us/

Mobile is basically a lost cause on data caps. Everyone already accepts either data caps on mobile or a pay as you go plan. It would not be shocking for these plans to take over the wired broadband market, too.

 

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freehe
freehe
7/31/2016 10:46:08 AM
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APIs and Networks
This sounds good in theory but what is the cost to consumers. "Such capabilities would allow customers to configure bandwidth requirements or ensure networks can cope with heavy use of ERP systems at certain times of the year."

There are usually only 2 or 3 internet companies in most states that provide quality service. Consumers will be forced to continue to use these companies as technology grows and consumers gain access to more features and services.

 

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batye
batye
8/2/2016 2:34:34 AM
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Re: APIs and Networks
@freehe in my area we only have one ISP as an option for cable internet, or two others ISP offering dial-up... sad reality

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
4/24/2018 9:02:00 PM
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Re: APIs and Networks
@Bayte:  we have debated the efficacy of satellittes throughout our deliberations here.  Is it that prevalent in Canada?  Will it ever be? 

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elizabethv
elizabethv
7/31/2016 10:21:58 PM
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Re: Applications are the future
@mhhf1ve - I fear you're right. Especially since people are cutting the cord more frequently. It only makes sense that the powers-that-be wouldn't want to lose their profit from people choosing to to stop getting cable. The whole thing is pretty frustrating to me, but I guess I have no control over it either. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
8/1/2016 10:29:59 PM
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Re: Applications are the future
> "people are cutting the cord more frequently.."

That's precisely why the data caps are becoming a bigger trend. More and more users are downloading video apps, but the pipe-owners (wired or wireless) aren't making the same $$$ on this video traffic. 

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batye
batye
8/2/2016 2:33:05 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@mhhf1ve yes, but in Canada we got from bad to worst as most ISP keep doing data caps more and more...

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elizabethv
elizabethv
4/24/2018 4:57:22 PM
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Re: Applications are the future
@batye - this is one of my worst fears. Unforunately. I am so glad that we cut the cord, and I would hate to ever go back to cable. But data caps are certainly something that would more than likely send me back. I have  feeling the companies know this. And it may happen, whether I want it to or not. 

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
4/24/2018 9:03:43 PM
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Re: Applications are the future
They may for a while--but they'll switch back--but what you have noted is another byproduct of the decision by the FCC not withstanding the spint the FCC tried to promluigate.    It is profoundly challenging no doubt--as I hope to see enterprising solutions at hand to help transform it .

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batye
batye
7/7/2016 2:30:50 AM
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Re: Applications are the future
@afwriter good point, but how well did they test this technology... I hope customers do not have to act as beta testers...

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dcawrey
dcawrey
7/7/2016 4:25:26 PM
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Re: Applications are the future
Interesting read. This idea of network-as-an-application is something that providers like Orange can really monetize. 

I mean, what IT department would not want this functionality? Management would love tools like this. 

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