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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
8/13/2016 7:39:55 PM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
mhhf1ve,

Oh, I don't think for a moment anyone is going to try to do that. The Ben Franklin/Alexander Hamilton/Whig Party/Bull Moose/New Deal/Eisenhower stream in American politics, of using the power of goverment to restructure the economic infrastructure for the benefit of most people, appears to be dead, and the last people who were any good at that kind of politics died long ago too. And a genuinely public internet not supported by advertising would be a vast, complex project that would take a commitment of many years to carry out, and a lot of smart planning at the beginning. So politically and culturally, it's not really possible anymore (just as no one could launch a Post Office, Bank of the United States, Erie Canal, St. Lawrence Seaway, or Interstate Highway System as good as those were in their day now -- agoralatry ("market worship") is simply too deep in the culture now.

But from a purely technical standpoint: money is just information, which we calculate from other information (n months of occupancy---formula--->$m rent, x items sold at $y price ---formula---> $z to wholesaler, etc.). A really public internet would require tracking which screen ran which content (or fraction thereof), and attaching a "net payments" account number to every screen/user combination (so people could share a device, and, for example, you could bill a student doing a school assignment differently from the same student watching videos at home). That's just a big old honking database.  Big Data is already managing to track most of what happens at Wal-Mart; it just isn't analyzing or reporting it yet. But the capability is almost there, and if we had to have it because we insisted on a true public net, we could do it pretty quickly. The will and the vision are lacking, not the social and technical knowledge.

(This is not unusual in history ... Robert Fulton offered to build steam gunboats for Napoleon that would have smashed the British fleet and allowed an invasion of England ... Harry Truman could have had the first Earth satellite spying on Russia by 1949 .... there is many a road we didn't walk down that was open whenever we wanted it).

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
8/12/2016 7:12:33 PM
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Re: An update
> "AdBlock Plus announced a temporary workaround..."

Doesn't AdBlock have its own business model that is somewhat inconsistent -- where some advertisers can pay to be unblocked? That seems like a conflict of interest... but I suppose if there's really demand for adblocking, there will be other adblockers with different business models.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
8/12/2016 7:06:07 PM
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Obnoxious...
Facebook should really respect the wishes of the users who have gone through the trouble of installing an adblocker. Focus on the users who don't have ad blockers! Why are the users who have adblockers so much more valuable? I suppose if a user has the resources and knowledge to install an adblocker.. they must have a higher income and be a better target for ads? 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
8/12/2016 7:03:07 PM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
> "The obvious solution would be cheap public servers for the general staying-in-contact that people like the net for, for organizations to use to be in touch with their members, and for ordinary business purposes -- i.e. the kind of thing the Post Office was created to do..."

That's a fascinating suggestion, but I'm skeptical that it would actually work. That Kickstarter campaign to create an open source social network... didn't really go anywhere after it was released. Maybe if the US Postal Office required everyone to get an Official USPS social network account based on diaspora or whatever social network platform is deemed appropriate...? But I shudder to think at the "junk mail" that would find its way on to such a government service (the USPS also relies on junk mail revenue, too).... 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

Ultimately, I think the problem would be getting competent developers to work on such a public social network to keep it running and to filter out all the junk and spam and attacks and malware.... and who would figure out the roadmap for development or updates or feature requests?

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Michelle
Michelle
8/11/2016 2:42:09 PM
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An update
Today, AdBlock Plus announced a temporary workaround. I guess this is the start of Adwars: Round 2.

https://adblockplus.org/blog/fb-reblock-ad-blocking-community-finds-workaround-to-facebook

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DHagar
DHagar
8/10/2016 7:54:46 PM
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Re: this is it
@JohnBarnes, that's how I feel exactly - an apple in a bin without a vote!  Exellent description.

One would think that with digital intelligence we could find a better fit and at least make the experience more tolerable!

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vnewman
vnewman
8/10/2016 1:43:49 PM
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Re: this is it
It feels like stalking.

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Ariella
Ariella
8/10/2016 1:33:52 PM
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Re: this is it
@vnewman I know, this kind of thing gives marekting a bad name. It becomes invasive and counterproductive rather than appropriate and helpful.

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vnewman
vnewman
8/10/2016 1:30:16 PM
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Re: this is it
@Ariella - So true. I have trained myself to tune them out.  Why is this so hard for "marketers" to understand?

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clrmoney
clrmoney
8/10/2016 11:03:40 AM
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Facebook Ads
Now why would they do that whcih means that would be more money for them unless it is something negative or something they don'e want on there.

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