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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
8/14/2016 12:45:58 AM
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Re: An update
mhhf1ve,

And the whitelisting requirements are one of the best things about AdBlocker; they basically spell out that ads must not get in the way of content and that it should be possible to read or watch while totally ignoring the ads.

Whenever I get the snotty little "you're using adblocker so we're not getting paid" note from a site, if possible I don't use it; if necessary I hack in via Google, which has the tools to let you extract from almost any site without counting as an ad; and I put it on my don't link or recommend ever list, and it never appears in any of my work or recreational postings. Glad I never made the move to Facebook; it would have been a nuisance to get clear of them.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
8/14/2016 12:41:17 AM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
mhhf1ve,

Yep, and as Baxter points out, we had no idea we'd be landing in soils so dense in peroxides (basically exploding sand). Small landers with little jets are one thing; a hundred-ton crewed lander would have received a big surprise.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
8/14/2016 12:39:27 AM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
>>>Maybe someone will come up with some Bitcoin-enabled tontine that avoids some of the fraud/abuse.

Fraud and abuse is negligible in US social programs; it's almost entirely a fiction of right-wing media, and dwarfed anyway by the immense organized corruption cesspools that are defense procurement and business subsidies. The taxpayers spend around $1.10 on a poor kid's school lunch and around $65 on a high ranking military officer's lunch; guess where there's more corruption money to make.

The problem of political will is not fraud or abuse; it's the systematic hate-the-poor campaign that is part of PR for enabling the 1%.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
8/14/2016 12:14:10 AM
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Re: An update
I'm not totally familiar with how Adblock's whitelist and Acceptable Ads policy works, but presumably Facebook couldn't just pay to get through the filter?

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
8/14/2016 12:12:15 AM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
Paying for a social safety net is a difficult political proposition in the US. Maybe someone will come up with some Bitcoin-enabled tontine that avoids some of the fraud/abuse.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
8/14/2016 12:08:21 AM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
Very true. A manned mission to Mars 30yrs ago would have been a complete disaster.... We haven't figured out how to shield astronauts from radiation levels found outside earth's orbit even today. People might have gotten to Mars decades ago, but they'd probably be dead from the radiation shortly afterward.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
8/14/2016 12:02:24 AM
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Re: An update
Adblock only accepts payments from "large" entities that have "acceptable" ads. "We receive some donations from our users, but our main source of revenue comes as part of the Acceptable Ads initiative. Larger entities pay a licensing fee for the whitelisting services requested and provided to them (90% of the licences are granted for free, to smaller entities). It should be noted that the Acceptable Ads criteria must be met independent of the consideration for payments. If the criteria are not met, whitelisting is impossible." https://adblockplus.org/about

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Michelle
Michelle
8/13/2016 11:49:37 PM
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Re: An update
@mhh I'm not familiar with AdBlock's business model to allow some ads through the filter. If true, it's all kinds of crazy. We're getting into murky territory. 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
8/13/2016 10:31:40 PM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
Yep. And again, that's a matter of what's socially/politically doable, not what's feasible. Those of us who have spent some of our lives in space advocacy are too familiar with this; as Stephen Baxter points out in Voyage, if the will had been there to do it, the first humans could have landed on Mars 30 years ago. (And probably would have been so underprepared that the mission would have been a disaster).  Here in the US we can't achieve much of the social safety net that much of hte world takes for granted, and we have gigantic tax and insurance industries (both huge drags on our economy) that we could theoretically replace almost overnight with something more efficient and less cumbersome -- but to do so would disemploy an enormous number of workers and trigger economic chaos.

Still, as Mark Twain once pointed out, the Civil War cost more than ten times what it would have done to just buy every single slave in the US, manumit them, educate them to the white national average at the time, and set them up on homesteads and small businesses. And all the reparations Germany was supposed to pay for WW1 to the Western Allies would have paid for only about 8 months of WW2 (which lasted 5 years and 8 months in Europe). 

The problem that we have a hard time figuring out how to pay for the most rational thing to do remains unsolved, and is likely to do so for a long time.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
8/13/2016 9:32:01 PM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
Agreed. No one is likely to create a huge tax-funded social network. There isn't even a USPS version of email. I wonder, though, if any large platform can even exist without some kind of advertising revenue. Ello still exists, but it's not exactly mainstream. Neither are any of the Twitter clones that aren't supported by ads.

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