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dlr5288
dlr5288
9/30/2016 1:12:41 PM
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Re: AT&T 4K TV
I agree.

I'm natrually a very creative person and to see the lack of creativity today is so sad to me. I know that technology is bettering the world in many aspects, but that means that creativity is getting pushed off the side.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
9/27/2016 6:48:45 PM
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Re: AT&T 4K TV
@JohnBarnes - I think what you are describing is the movie Surrogates. I'm not going to lie, I've contemplated the benefits of such a life. 

To me - the biggest atrophy I have noticed at the hand of technology seems to be a loss of creativity. Which is tragic and confusing, because in many ways, I would have thought technology would give life to creativity. 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
9/26/2016 8:11:56 PM
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Re: AT&T 4K TV
ElizabethV, MikeP,

Rousseau posed the problem all the way back in 1762, in The Social Contract. He pointed out that as soon as the bow and arrow was developed, men who still wanted a goose or duck dinner became much less proficient at throwing rocks; once the horse was domesticated, no one had to run quite as fast anymore; and so forth. As tech gets better, more and more, it cares for us, and though it may enable us to do many things we couldn't, it also reduces our capability through atrophy in a large number of areas.

Or you could also cite a great piece of early sci fi -- Ralph Milne Farley, who asked his readers "Could you make a radio?" -- not meaning, could you make one by getting the parts in the shop, but, here's some flint, here's some firewood, you have the resources of the planet, go make a radio. 

The eventual limit is a helpless (but happy) blob of protoplasm in a tank.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
9/26/2016 12:39:43 PM
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Re: AT&T 4K TV
What I think our deliberations here at TT and above is illustrative of is how we're limited by the very power of our imagination and believe in the art of the possible--it is true as Ari noted on the consolidation--but I just hope that choice continues to be ever so present.  I wonder if that would happen if the giants get ever more powerful at the expense of the rest of us.

 

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elizabethv
elizabethv
9/26/2016 1:00:01 AM
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Re: AT&T 4K TV
@mpouraryan - I've actually thought about that - the limits of technology. What are they? Where are they? I'm not entirely sold that they do exist. In fact I recently saw an article that a few scientists were successful at teleportation recently - both in China and then replicated in Canada - I believe. Don't quote me on that. Even what we may see has "enough" for me, DVD's and a 10 year old flat screen TV do the trick right now, with my WiiU as my device for cord cutting. But for my 4-year-old? Who knows where the limit will be for him. Which is likely the problem, is that while the limit may be determined by the individual, it will be the largest number of individual's with similar limits that will likely set it for the market.                                   

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
9/25/2016 8:29:19 PM
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Re: AT&T 4K TV
There is no question that those who somehow do not embrace and recognize change do so to their detriment.  But, this fascination with technology has to have its' limits--and it is up to us.   We have to be in control.

 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
9/25/2016 7:33:31 PM
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Re: AT&T 4K TV
Freehe, 

AHA!

I clicked on the link to the forecast in the main article, and discovered my initial suspicion was right -- in fact, even righter.  A household is counted as having 4K if it has even one 4K device.  Right now most 50" and bigger screen TVs have 4K as standard, and manufacturers are planning to put that into smaller sets soon, so that very quickly 40" sets are going to have 4K as standard.  And North American households buy TVs with big screens, and tend to buy a new TV every couple of years on the average due to breakage and household fission and fusion.  So 4K becoming standard on smaller sets, plus the ridiculously high replacement rate in North America, probably means there will be a 4K-capable set in a majority of homes within that 4 year span. 

Stupid and gullible as we may all be, that's where we're headed!

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
9/25/2016 7:25:30 PM
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Re: AT&T 4K TV
freehe,

As to the second point, a 4K set will play HD in HD (just as a color set would play black and white programs), and 4K in 4K. An HD set will play everything in HD. Thus the 4K user gains some marginal advantage.  The question is more whether the advantage is as big as the General Motors advantages over Ford (electric starters and automatic transmissions meant you could drive without having to learn how to work a clutch, and you didn't have to have forearms like Popeye -- but if you could drive a Model T you could drive a Chevy, and hte reverse wasn't necessarily true), or as small as the Quadrophonic Sound advantage over hi-fidelity stereo turned out to be (does anyone remember quad sound?)

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
9/25/2016 7:20:23 PM
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Re: AT&T 4K TV
freehe,

Those are indeed the classic marketing questions. But in a world of rapid replacement where the cost of 4K relative to HD is plunging, replacement will be biased for 4K, and eventually it will become standard.

There was nothing wrong with Betamax, either; black and white TV still worked; and there were still plenty of people around who had the arm strength and skill to crank-start a car rather than use an automatic starter. But if nearly all of what is bought new has feature X', then as the older ones with X get thrown away, X' becomes standard -- and that's effectively mandatory.  No choice required (or cared about).

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freehe
freehe
9/25/2016 6:19:45 PM
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AT&T 4K TV
I don't think the estimates for 2020 are realistic. Adoption takes time. Consumers have not fully embraced HD TV yet.

Who is the target audience for 4k TV? What are the benefits of 4k TV other than watching seasonal or yearly sporting events? Why should consumers switch to 4K TV versus HD, UHD and all the other different types of tv configurations?

 

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