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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
10/28/2016 12:51:12 AM
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Re: More CSP
Michelle, VNewman,

I honestly worry that the more promising aspects of DevOps may be strangled by the Dev side of it insisting that development must proceed as if it were stil being done in a centralized room of programmers. I could easily see security becoming an excuse for that strangulation.

Which is not to say that things would be improved by ignoring security. "What if a child saw that?" has been used to justify censorship since forever, but the fact that it's a favorite tactic of authoritarians does not make the question any less legitimate.

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vnewman
vnewman
10/27/2016 3:49:00 PM
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Re: More CSP
@JohnBarnes - My team was just talking about Clippy the other day and I have to admit my distain for him/it at the time has been replaced by a sort of fondness that comes with reminiscing I suppose.  

I feel like org culture also has a lot to do with nurturing that type of "programmer knows best" mentality - MSFT has long been notorious for trying to "think" for the user and it reflects in the UX that they "know" better than you what you need to do.  I felt like Apple, in its early days did a great job doing exactly the opposite, but now I'm seeing shades of this behavior by them as well.

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Michelle
Michelle
10/27/2016 3:26:08 PM
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Re: More CSP
@John It's interesting you bring this up. Using some of these systems exposes the culture of the dev teams who created them. User experience is awful but the system functions in the same form for eternity.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
10/24/2016 10:31:53 PM
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Re: More CSP
dcawrey,

Not just tough -- often an actively bad choice. Vendors, despite what are often heroic efforts not to, have often suffered from "the programmer knows everything" syndrome. (For a great example of how much of that there is in even the most ordinary business software, see all the many versions of "Falsehoods Programmers Believe"; here's a good metalist to start from). The spirit that made Clippy pop up and say "Looks like you're writing an anonymous ransom note, would you like help?" and so forth, or that makes autocorrect a reliable source of hilarity, is born and bred in people who don't know the territory for which they are designing software (often because they're using what "everybody knows.")  The more of the ecosystem that can be home-grown on the ops side of the fence, the fewer PAINs (Programmer Arrogance Induced Nightmares, a once-common abbreviation) will grow and proliferate from the dev side.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
10/24/2016 2:24:31 PM
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Re: More CSP
Isn't this one of the reasons why open source is becoming popular? If there is a lack of some sort in vendor ecosystems, one way to fill that is by seeking out an open solution. Sure, sometimes that is not ideal, but it's tough to have to rely on vendors for solutions all the time. 

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clrmoney
clrmoney
10/22/2016 10:31:41 AM
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More CSP
CSP will be able to get more if they come up with an idea or solution usine the network funtions (NFV) with the 70% they are planning for to be more active in a way so I think they will get it done.

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