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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
10/28/2016 1:29:45 PM
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Re: It Only Takes One
@Ariella: ...or people who are children at heart!  (I just indulged in an impulse candy purchase this morning at CVS.)



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Ariella
Ariella
10/28/2016 11:15:33 AM
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Re: It Only Takes One
@Joe @John you know what drug stores lock up today? Baby formula. From http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C04E7DF1538F936A35755C0A9639C8B63.

"Millions of dollars' worth of powdered formula is stolen every year, said Mardi K. Mountford, executive director for the International Formula Council, an association of infant formula manufacturers.

"Sometimes the formula enters the gray market, in which shoplifters sell it at a discount to unauthorized distributors, which in turn sell it to small stores or at flea markets, Ms. Mountford said."

Interesting that they do not have the same concern for lipsticks and other cosmetics. With repsect to John's point about impulse purchases, generally, CVS only recently set up a display section just in front of the cash register with small cosmetic items. Prior to that all makeup was in aisles and maybe just appeared in front of the aisle. But now they are trying for that impulse purchase, though it is still focused on chocolate bars that line the whole section in front of the cash registers--all within easy reach and notice of children.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
10/27/2016 2:44:05 PM
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Re: It Only Takes One
Joe, I don't know about nail clippers but lipstick is a classic loss leader product often used as an example in marketing textbooks. The magic of lipstick is that so much of it is bought as "cheer up" impulse purchases, so it brings customers who are primed to impulse-buy into the store, and that's valuable enough to justify the often below-cost pricing. "I just want to not go home right away" --> "maybe I'll check out some new lipsticks" --> "let's see, I have a frozen pizza, a quart of ice cream, People magazine, paperback, bag of chips, maybe I should get a liter of soda. Still can't decide about that new lipstick." So I doubt they'd do anything to make lipstick access inconvenient. Even if there is extra shrinkage on that shelf it is still well worth it, at least if marketing books are to be believed.

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Michelle
Michelle
10/27/2016 2:16:56 PM
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Re: It Only Takes One
@Joe Some places lock up toothpaste and toothbrushes too. Security for all toiletries!

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Carol Wilson
Carol Wilson
10/27/2016 11:44:05 AM
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Re: It Only Takes One
@Joe, that's true of everything. But the execs who have been talking this talk are the chief security officers - the ones charged with changing how companies operate, to make them more secure. If they aren't actually doing what they say is important - and most of them say building security in from the ground up is critical - then I suspect many of them won't stay in their current jobs all that long. 

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
10/27/2016 11:41:49 AM
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Re: It Only Takes One
@Carol: It's a lot easier to talk about than it is to implement!

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vnewman
vnewman
10/27/2016 11:40:39 AM
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Re: It Only Takes One
@JohnBarnes - I like your analogy.  I feel like security, just by the nature of DevOps will be an afterthought - I don't think they can leave the gate hand-in-hand from the outset.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
10/27/2016 11:39:48 AM
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Re: It Only Takes One
@John: So is that why the razors at the drug store are in locked boxes?  Or are they afraid of someone robbing them with at Mach-3-point?

(Of course, then why aren't the toenail clippers or lipsticks similarly locked up?)

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
10/27/2016 11:38:10 AM
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Features vs. Security
Indeed, most coders are feature oriented -- as opposed to security oriented.  (This is also one of the problems with open source -- that, contributor-wise it attracts way more feature creeps than security freaks.)

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
10/26/2016 10:49:48 PM
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Re: It Only Takes One
Ultimately, the quicker and easier it is to do things with information, the quicker and easier it is to steal it -- make anything more portable and accessible and more of it is going to walk away. (That's why so many bits of tech stuff are in big locked plastic boxes at your local Wal-Mart or Target -- they're too easily carried and concealed in their "natural" state). So on one level, if you're going to have DevOps, you're going to have security problems, even if everyone is careful and systematic about security.

Which, as Carol very rightly points out, they won't be.

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