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And thanks again, Adam, for your time and insights -- and thanks again to Kelsey/TT for putting this together!  Very good show today. 

@Adam: Thanks a bunch for sticking around to address that.

Last one.  Navigating Opensource is something my team started working on quite some years ago.  There is both a technical aspect and the licensing aspect.  Versioning is not that much more difficult than internally developed code and as we prototype before we decide, we have a good handle on what we are getting into.  On the licensing maintaining a "clean" codebase is requires attention and is important.  We have automated tools in our source code control system scanning licensing each day....

> and we strongly prefer commerical offerings where we get source code. 

Ah, okay.  That makes sense.  Got it.

Thanks again... Appreciate the interest in our Projects.....  

> The lack of transparency in traditional products is a significant impediment.  We have spent tremendous amounts of time developing systems to glue them together

Might, then, this be a viable argument for vendor consolidation (despite its other tradeoffs) instead of vendor diversification (i.e., against vendor lock-in rhetoric)?

Relatedly, I have heard from some that, aside from offering transparency where proprietary solutions do not, open source often has a lot of the same issues as proprietary (particularly involving (a) service contracts and (b) standards/versioning).  Has that been your experience, or have you experienced otherwise?

My team looks to Open Source before commerical offerings and we strongly prefer commerical offerings where we get source code.  We also have a methodology for choosing or choosing between Open Source products.  We look for projects with large numbers of diverse submitters.  This ensures that we are getting the most benefit from Opensource and help ls readily available if we need it.  OpendayLight is a great example

 

Thanks Kelsey & Adam for the great show today!

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The lack of transparency in traditional products is a significant impediment.  We have spent tremendous amounts of time developing systems to glue them together, so much time in many cases that we could have just developed the functionality.  But further, transparency is a key requirement of Devops.  In addition to the complexity of development, the processes where parts of the devops model is Opaque are problematic, this is both our visability from the developer side towards the Ops side and visaversa.  We are working on this internally and need to help from our vendor partners in this area.

 

Incidentally, Adam's Telco Transformation username is the same as my reddit username.  Amazing.

#notreally #dumbjoke

@Adam thanks for sticking around to answer a few more of our questions and for an excellent radio show today, it was great to hear your insight! @Listeners thanks for your thoughtful questions today and I look forward to seeing you here on our next radio show! Have a great day, everyone.

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Maintaining our transmission network is a continuous effort, so there is less to modernize.  We have invested heavily in this area.  We have however looking very closely at how we provide the automation for these environment so we can transform our customer facing and internal facing transport products into "single" services as we have done with our Ethernet Product

 

Adam, what would you say has been the greatest challenge you have faced so far, on this journey?

Author

Bumping (and modifying) earlier question, FWIW:

Adam, you mentioned non-transparency and other issues of proprietary solutions...  To what extent do you see virtualization + open source playing a role in avoiding lock-in-related concerns?  And are there alternatives?

Adam -- how do you view open source vs. commercial/proprietary SW in your solutions (whether bought or built)?  Do you see them mixing and matching or ar you trying to go predominately in one direction?

Steel

@Michelle: I've actually had the most problems with Chrome.  Most issues with IE, meanwhile, I have found, tend to be "Elitist designer hates Internet Explorer and everyone who uses it".

Thanks @Adam, that's really helpful!

Author

Aaron, you ask about "doing it all". Its a good question, but not as hard as it seems.  Just as our Network Equipment partner undertake Build vs. Buy analysis when purchasing components like ASIC's or software modules, we do the same thing.  We look to the cost and business benefits and weight the expense and resource constraints.  Of course, we we build ourselves, its much easier to integrate into our other tooling so that has an impact, but the process is pretty straightforward.  its not economical to do it all ourselves, our businesses and infrastructure are too diverse.

 

@Adam here's another listener question - 

What is CenturyLink's plan for transforming the legacy Transport(OTN/DWDM) layer?

Author

@Adam - Listener question/comment: With as large as CenturyLink is and the vast amounts of programs you operate against on a daily basis, can you help explain how CenturyLink by moving this functions into a development/lifecycle model and taking on system integration to "White Box" that you can ramp, focus and scale to get the perceived reduction and streamlining in a CORD approach as an end - end TCO vs. partnerhsip with firms in certain areas that are focused in functions like Access (VDSL, PON, etc) to help a shared model of risk in your evolution to allow partnership to help focus to deliver timely vs. all risk and destiny inside CenturyLink "To Do it ALL"

Author

@Michelle, I know...weird, huh?

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@Liz WOW!! Switching away from Explorer usually fixes things!

Platinum

Thanks, Adam and Kelsey!

Author

@Mpouraryan I was having the same problem on Chrome so I switched to Explorer and its working fine. We'll look into it for you after the show!

Platinum

Thanks a bunch, Adam (and Kelsey and co.)!

Same bat time, same bat channel!

@Joe ok, maybe not top, but near the middle. Open source would be at the top, proprietary at the bottom. I'm thinking of a cereal box for some reason

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@Michelle: Actually, Wikipedia provides a nice outline of all the different, relevant models: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shareware

The "comment field has not be refreshing...hopefully my thoughts came thru...wishin' all a great rest of the wk..a pleasure to have dropped by. :) 

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@Michelle: Wouldn't that be the top?  ;)

@Michelle: ...As I recall, there were two primary shareware models: "Try before you buy" (sometimes on the honor system, sometimes by disabling or disrupting functionality, sometimes strictly on the honor system), and "If you like it, please donate!"

With as large as CenturyLink is and the vast amounts of programs you operate against on a daily basis, can you help explain how CenturyLink by moving this functions into a development/lifecycle model and taking on system integration to "White Box" that you can ramp, focus and scale to get the perceived reduction and streamlining in a CORD approach as an end - end TCO vs. partnerhsip with firms in certain areas that are focused in functions like Access (VDSL, PON, etc) to help a shared model of risk in your evolution to allow partnership to help focus to deliver timely vs. all risk and destiny inside CenturyLink "To Do it ALL"

 

@Joe heh - the more open end? like it sits in the bottom of the software box or something?

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@Michelle: Yeah, technically, shareware is proprietary and not open source.  But it's on the more "open" end of proprietary.

exactly @michelle!

Platinum

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@NewIPLiz: Indeed.  It's a popular "after-cheesecake" activity.

@Joe -- walking and crying is the latest craze --

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@Joe shareware used a different model than free/open source, didn't it?

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QUESTION: Adam, regarding CORD -- what does CenturyLink's version of CORD look like? How does it differ from ON.LAB's CORD?

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Very important. Go big or go home.

Author

poll answer: I'd go with important

Platinum

@Joe I hate leaf blowers too!

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@mpouraryan: Open source is far from nascent.  :)  I remember the old days when we used terms like "shareware" and "freeware".

poll answer: (not listed) don't know/unsure

Platinum

So I guess I'll go with "Somewhat important".

...traditional?   Do such things exist in this "open-source" world?   :) 

Platinum

Poll answer: Trick question.  Depends on the organization.

@mpouraryan: FWIW (pending hearing Adam's thoughts), I would tend to think that regulatory impact of recent/ongoing FCC issues would be minimal for the technical issues here.  (but maybe I'm missing something?  Is there a new/proposed/discussed regulatory development impacting delivery via virtualization?  Or...?)

POLL: 

How important do you think it is to build the CORD with white boxes and software VNFs? Not important, somewhat important, or very important?  

Author

What is CenturyLink's plan for transforming the legacy Transport(OTN/DWDM) layer?

Steel

Is it also helping with speed/simplicity of deploying 3rd party apps?

Author

Greetings to all...and to underscore @Joe's thoughts, how would the expected changes coming down form the FCC will affect service delivery? 

Platinum

QUESTION: To speak of the non-transparency and other issues of proprietary solutions...  To what extent do you see virtualization playing a role in avoiding lock-in-related concerns?  And to what extent is combining open source desirable/necessary to alleviating some of those concerns?

Oh, also "hating leafblowers."  But that's also an indoor hobby, alas.  :/

I understand your views about data but my concern ,  how you integrated or consolidate legacy Netwok elements/SONET/dwdm

gardening and kayaking

Steel

@NewIPLiz: I misread that as "walking and crying" at first and thought you were being hilarious.

@Michelle: oh, was it "hobbies"?  I thought it was activities.

I guess "walking" would be what comes closest to "outdoor hobby."

poll answer: not considering NFV

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Not considering...but keeping it in mind as certain things expand/scale up.

1st listener poll! Answer in the chat: 

 Is your organization: Actively implementing NFV? Trialing or testing NFV? Considering NFV? Or not considering NFV?

Author

wow, you guys are a lot more interesting than me. lots of fun-sounding outdoor hobbies

Platinum

poll question: walking and cycling!

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Author

For exercise: Walking.  For pure fun: Mini-golf.  Or eating burgers and ice cream on the beach.  ;)

hmm...light hiking is my favorite. general walking is pretty good in pleasant weather :D

Platinum

Hi, guys!  Glad to be here today.

I'm having issues with chat message delay today... anyone else? I have to refresh the page to see new messages

Platinum

audio has started

Platinum

Hi @Adam, looking foward to the discussion shortly!

Author

Hi,  Its cloudy in NYC. 10 mins till show time. looking forward.

Steel

Hi @sawad and @Michelle!

Author

Just under 30 minutes until start time

Platinum

Good morning, Adi

Platinum

Seems to be a cool daya all over -- grey and still here

Author

Good morning, early birds! It's cool this morning. Looking forward to the show.

Platinum

How's everyone doing today? What's the weather like in your area? Cool and overcast here in NC!

Author

same is on my end interesting to learn 

Platinum

Getting a major service provider's perspective on changes in the vendor eco-system should be particularly interesting. Look forward to learning more on the show.

Author

Looking forward to this event

Steel

Eager to learn about the CenturyLink approach to Virtualization

Steel
Same here. Looking forward
Steel

Hope to attend should be interesting show and chat after... hello to all :) 

Platinum

Greetings to all...looking forward to the insights :) 

Platinum

Simplifying the network is a key goal for so many operators. Look forward to understanding the CenturyLink approach to doing this. I'm sure Adam will have some great insights to offer, being immersed in this on a practical, day-to-day basis. 

Author

Will be great to hear from Adam Dunstan on how to reduce complexities in the move toward virtualization!

Author

Looking forward to this show!

Steel


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