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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
5/10/2016 9:00:11 PM
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Re: 'tever
In the United States, at least, it doesn't look like we're training enough doctors because a bit over half the fully qualified applicants are not allowed into medical school, in order to keep prices up and doctors well-off. This is not a problem that requires much in the way of technology to solve.

Access to specialists will be a great deal more useful if there's a fully trained primary care physician at the remote site.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
5/10/2016 9:15:12 PM
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Re: 'tever
> "In the United States, at least, it doesn't look like we're training enough doctors..."

I've always wondered about the economics of the AMA and how doctors are trained. There seems to be a hard cut-off for training doctors in the US in certain medical schools. 

I thought the "OD" (instead of "MD") schools were an alternative to try to alleviate the doctor shortage, but I don't think it's really caught on?

Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_MD_and_DO_in_the_United_States

There are plenty of professional organizations -- lawyers and accountants and even hair stylists have training requirements, but they don't necessarily limit the number of people in their respective fields like doctors do... I'm not sure how the history of medical training has allowed this to happen?

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
5/10/2016 11:31:19 PM
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Re: 'tever
Medicine is undergoing transformation just like anything else--as epitomized by this story:

http://gizmodo.com/a-robots-performed-the-first-ever-autonomous-suturing-o-1774855279

Where is Dr. McCoy when we need him?

(PS--For those who wonder, he's the Physician from Star Trek)!!

 

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
5/11/2016 9:12:24 AM
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Re: Meh.
Not to trash her, but I never was a fan of that charity.  Forget clean water and curing malaria; let's send these kids some laptops!  :/

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
5/11/2016 9:13:01 AM
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Re: 'tever
@mpouraryan: With all the nerds like us here on this telco tech site, I'm guessing you didn't need the note explaining who McCoy is.  ;)

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vnewman
vnewman
5/11/2016 2:33:37 PM
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Re: 'tever
@Joe - it took me a minute to figure it out I must admit

But I digress - isn't it strange that she is leaving FB in order to do this when Zuck just dedicated billions to curing ALL diseases by the end of century?  I mean, doesn't it make sense to stay under the auspiciousness that is Zuckerberg who is the one person who could maybe single-handedly make it happen???  

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
5/11/2016 2:59:02 PM
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Re: Meh.
> " let's send these kids some laptops!"

The OLPC project didn't even really need to exist, did it? We now have some laptops that cost less than $100 without any charity. It reminds me of the X Prize that challenged scientists to sequence genomes for less than $100... and then had to be canceled because technology had already brought the price down well below that. 

The OLPC devices were pretty "stripped down" devices, too. And now you can get a pretty decent tablet for $100 or less. I think India tried to produce a tablet for just a few dollars....

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
5/11/2016 3:57:48 PM
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Re: 'tever
I know @Joe...but you know it is the "teacher" in me I guess.

:)) 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
5/12/2016 7:39:24 AM
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Re: 'tever
mhf1ve,

It's a long, complicated story. Back when doctors had fewer than 20 drugs that worked and most of what they knew how to do had been known since ancient times (i.e. down till almost 1900), being a medical doctor in the US was a trade more than a profession, with apprenticeships the norm. Medical-school trained doctors were felt to be superior but they were rare, and most of the "new tech" between the Civil War and WW1 was freely available to everyone, MD or not, and understandable (germ theory and its implications about scrubbing before surgery and debriding wounds, for example).

A series of scandals and uproars, many pretty horrible, propelled state medical societies into a situation where they could write rules -- which they did in a fashion that could best be described as "what every union dreams of." And for lucrative (and otherwise rewarding) professions, the first step is to make it harder to get into the club.

One of many reasons I support single-payer government insurance with the gloves off for negotiation.  Want a medical license? Go to a medical school that takes all qualified applicants, definition of qualified to be set by a board with a citizen majority. There's a psychological/religious component to medicine, and people will probably always insist on a higher level of qualification than is really needed, but realistically they should be compensated about like engineers or CPAs -- comfortable enough, but it should not be a license to print money, and there should be enough competition to force some of the profession to serve the economic margin.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
5/19/2016 8:20:53 AM
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Life isn't All About Money
I think this is great, I wish she had received similar support from Facebook. Life isn't all about money, success isn't measured in dollars. You have to feel good about what you do, what you contribute. I made decent money as an operator of a Sonic Drive-In. But at the end of the day, I felt like I was just contributing to the obesity rates of this country. So I had to leave. Now, my "day job" (which is a night job) is to take care of at-risk teenagers. The pay is about half, but when I go home, I know that I'm making a difference. I feel better with myself, who I am, and the decisions I'm making in this life. That is far more important than money. Mary Lou is doing the same thing. I wish everyone would go that route. 

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