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vnewman
8/10/2016 1:43:49 PM
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Re: this is it
It feels like stalking.
DHagar
8/10/2016 7:54:46 PM
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Re: this is it
@JohnBarnes, that's how I feel exactly - an apple in a bin without a vote! Exellent description.
One would think that with digital intelligence we could find a better fit and at least make the experience more tolerable!
Michelle
8/11/2016 2:42:09 PM
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An update
Today, AdBlock Plus announced a temporary workaround. I guess this is the start of Adwars: Round 2.
https://adblockplus.org/blog/fb-reblock-ad-blocking-community-finds-workaround-to-facebook
mhhf1ve
8/12/2016 7:03:07 PM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
> "The obvious solution would be cheap public servers for the general staying-in-contact that people like the net for, for organizations to use to be in touch with their members, and for ordinary business purposes -- i.e. the kind of thing the Post Office was created to do..."
That's a fascinating suggestion, but I'm skeptical that it would actually work. That Kickstarter campaign to create an open source social network... didn't really go anywhere after it was released. Maybe if the US Postal Office required everyone to get an Official USPS social network account based on diaspora or whatever social network platform is deemed appropriate...? But I shudder to think at the "junk mail" that would find its way on to such a government service (the USPS also relies on junk mail revenue, too)....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)
Ultimately, I think the problem would be getting competent developers to work on such a public social network to keep it running and to filter out all the junk and spam and attacks and malware.... and who would figure out the roadmap for development or updates or feature requests?
mhhf1ve
8/12/2016 7:06:07 PM
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Obnoxious...
Facebook should really respect the wishes of the users who have gone through the trouble of installing an adblocker. Focus on the users who don't have ad blockers! Why are the users who have adblockers so much more valuable? I suppose if a user has the resources and knowledge to install an adblocker.. they must have a higher income and be a better target for ads?
mhhf1ve
8/12/2016 7:12:33 PM
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Re: An update
> "AdBlock Plus announced a temporary workaround..."
Doesn't AdBlock have its own business model that is somewhat inconsistent -- where some advertisers can pay to be unblocked? That seems like a conflict of interest... but I suppose if there's really demand for adblocking, there will be other adblockers with different business models.
JohnBarnes
8/13/2016 7:39:55 PM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
mhhf1ve,
Oh, I don't think for a moment anyone is going to try to do that. The Ben Franklin/Alexander Hamilton/Whig Party/Bull Moose/New Deal/Eisenhower stream in American politics, of using the power of goverment to restructure the economic infrastructure for the benefit of most people, appears to be dead, and the last people who were any good at that kind of politics died long ago too. And a genuinely public internet not supported by advertising would be a vast, complex project that would take a commitment of many years to carry out, and a lot of smart planning at the beginning. So politically and culturally, it's not really possible anymore (just as no one could launch a Post Office, Bank of the United States, Erie Canal, St. Lawrence Seaway, or Interstate Highway System as good as those were in their day now -- agoralatry ("market worship") is simply too deep in the culture now.
But from a purely technical standpoint: money is just information, which we calculate from other information (n months of occupancy---formula--->$m rent, x items sold at $y price ---formula---> $z to wholesaler, etc.). A really public internet would require tracking which screen ran which content (or fraction thereof), and attaching a "net payments" account number to every screen/user combination (so people could share a device, and, for example, you could bill a student doing a school assignment differently from the same student watching videos at home). That's just a big old honking database. Big Data is already managing to track most of what happens at Wal-Mart; it just isn't analyzing or reporting it yet. But the capability is almost there, and if we had to have it because we insisted on a true public net, we could do it pretty quickly. The will and the vision are lacking, not the social and technical knowledge.
(This is not unusual in history ... Robert Fulton offered to build steam gunboats for Napoleon that would have smashed the British fleet and allowed an invasion of England ... Harry Truman could have had the first Earth satellite spying on Russia by 1949 .... there is many a road we didn't walk down that was open whenever we wanted it).
mhhf1ve
8/13/2016 9:32:01 PM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
Agreed. No one is likely to create a huge tax-funded social network. There isn't even a USPS version of email. I wonder, though, if any large platform can even exist without some kind of advertising revenue. Ello still exists, but it's not exactly mainstream. Neither are any of the Twitter clones that aren't supported by ads.
JohnBarnes
8/13/2016 10:31:40 PM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
Yep. And again, that's a matter of what's socially/politically doable, not what's feasible. Those of us who have spent some of our lives in space advocacy are too familiar with this; as Stephen Baxter points out in Voyage, if the will had been there to do it, the first humans could have landed on Mars 30 years ago. (And probably would have been so underprepared that the mission would have been a disaster). Here in the US we can't achieve much of the social safety net that much of hte world takes for granted, and we have gigantic tax and insurance industries (both huge drags on our economy) that we could theoretically replace almost overnight with something more efficient and less cumbersome -- but to do so would disemploy an enormous number of workers and trigger economic chaos.
Still, as Mark Twain once pointed out, the Civil War cost more than ten times what it would have done to just buy every single slave in the US, manumit them, educate them to the white national average at the time, and set them up on homesteads and small businesses. And all the reparations Germany was supposed to pay for WW1 to the Western Allies would have paid for only about 8 months of WW2 (which lasted 5 years and 8 months in Europe).
The problem that we have a hard time figuring out how to pay for the most rational thing to do remains unsolved, and is likely to do so for a long time.
Michelle
8/13/2016 11:49:37 PM
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Re: An update
@mhh I'm not familiar with AdBlock's business model to allow some ads through the filter. If true, it's all kinds of crazy. We're getting into murky territory.
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