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mhhf1ve
8/14/2016 12:02:24 AM
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Re: An update
Adblock only accepts payments from "large" entities that have "acceptable" ads.
"We receive some donations from our users, but our main source of revenue comes as part of the Acceptable Ads initiative. Larger entities pay a licensing fee for the whitelisting services requested and provided to them (90% of the licences are granted for free, to smaller entities). It should be noted that the Acceptable Ads criteria must be met independent of the consideration for payments. If the criteria are not met, whitelisting is impossible."
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mhhf1ve
8/14/2016 12:08:21 AM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
Very true. A manned mission to Mars 30yrs ago would have been a complete disaster.... We haven't figured out how to shield astronauts from radiation levels found outside earth's orbit even today. People might have gotten to Mars decades ago, but they'd probably be dead from the radiation shortly afterward.
mhhf1ve
8/14/2016 12:12:15 AM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
Paying for a social safety net is a difficult political proposition in the US. Maybe someone will come up with some Bitcoin-enabled tontine that avoids some of the fraud/abuse.
mhhf1ve
8/14/2016 12:14:10 AM
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Re: An update
I'm not totally familiar with how Adblock's whitelist and Acceptable Ads policy works, but presumably Facebook couldn't just pay to get through the filter?
JohnBarnes
8/14/2016 12:39:27 AM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
>>>Maybe someone will come up with some Bitcoin-enabled tontine that avoids some of the fraud/abuse.
Fraud and abuse is negligible in US social programs; it's almost entirely a fiction of right-wing media, and dwarfed anyway by the immense organized corruption cesspools that are defense procurement and business subsidies. The taxpayers spend around $1.10 on a poor kid's school lunch and around $65 on a high ranking military officer's lunch; guess where there's more corruption money to make.
The problem of political will is not fraud or abuse; it's the systematic hate-the-poor campaign that is part of PR for enabling the 1%.
JohnBarnes
8/14/2016 12:41:17 AM
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Re: The problem is easily solved, if we stop worshipping the private sector
mhhf1ve,
Yep, and as Baxter points out, we had no idea we'd be landing in soils so dense in peroxides (basically exploding sand). Small landers with little jets are one thing; a hundred-ton crewed lander would have received a big surprise.
JohnBarnes
8/14/2016 12:45:58 AM
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Re: An update
mhhf1ve,
And the whitelisting requirements are one of the best things about AdBlocker; they basically spell out that ads must not get in the way of content and that it should be possible to read or watch while totally ignoring the ads.
Whenever I get the snotty little "you're using adblocker so we're not getting paid" note from a site, if possible I don't use it; if necessary I hack in via Google, which has the tools to let you extract from almost any site without counting as an ad; and I put it on my don't link or recommend ever list, and it never appears in any of my work or recreational postings. Glad I never made the move to Facebook; it would have been a nuisance to get clear of them.
mpouraryan
8/15/2016 4:58:19 AM
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Re: An update
Welcome to the New Week You all :)
As I assessed the discourse here, my view it: Not surprising at all--because Facebook is dependent on it. As for Facebook itself, it depends on what you use it for--some are not "comfortable". But the engagement @ Facebook is frankly too enticing not to pass up--and if Facebook is taking steps to makes things even more seamless--kudos to them!!!
JohnBarnes
8/15/2016 7:35:26 AM
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Re: this is it
Ariella, vnewman,
Absolutely true to the individual experience -- there are several products I won't buy because of their advertising -- but unfortunately, all but completely false to what the statistics show. Name recognition is so powerful in buying decisions, and branding is now so trained into the culture, that obnoxious advertising does better because all that really matters for many products is the association between Name X and Product Y. For several years Mr. Whipple squeezing the Charmin was the most-hated commercial on TV; during those years Charmin sales grew explosively, because no matter how much people disliked an exhibition of the strange fetishes of a depraved store manager, they by-gum remembered that Charmin was a name for toilet paper.
JohnBarnes
8/15/2016 7:48:04 AM
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Re: An update
mhhf1ve,
AdBlock users adopt AdBlock because they control ads at the page level, screening for things like ads that jump in front of the content, animations that move around in the margins, easily findable close buttons that work right away (and are not purposely mis-labeled links to more advertising) and other things that detract from the reading experience (plus, of course, places that have not paid to be whitelisted). The advertisers pay to get their own ads whitelisted, and Ad Blocker will only let them do that if the ads meet the criteria. Enabling/ creating a "bribe-in" system for third-party ads (which is what a blanket whitelist for Facebook would do) would destroy the value of the service to the users, and wipe out any incentive for all the now-paying customers to buy whitelisting at all; and anyway, Ad Blocker scans in the reverse order for that (first they throw out the obnoxious ones according to the specified criteria, and only then do they check to see which of the remaining ads are whitelisted).
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