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clrmoney
11/8/2016 8:39:11 PM
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Orange debuts the NaaS
Orange is offering the VNF NasS easy go network brand that has been content and URL filtering and the web service portal that shows the data is accurate for them keep going and adding new things.
DHagar
11/8/2016 9:32:37 PM
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Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
@clrmoney, interesting. I see NaaS as the future in that customers are going to want to purchase solutions through services (ie NaaS) rather than build capabilities. With the cloud and VNF, etc., it makes sense to deliver services, not technology.
I really like their self-service portal design.
freehe
11/26/2016 1:14:16 PM
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Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
@DHagar, I agree. Companies wants services that will solve their problems and help them to remain competitive, they are not concerned about technology and how it gets done.
DHagar
11/28/2016 7:47:15 PM
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Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
@freehe, thanks. I think the technology capabilities will become commodities, the services and solutions that are offered will be the value-added distinguishers.
batye
12/1/2016 1:05:33 AM
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Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
@DHagar I could not agree more I would say in the future we gonna look at any technology as commoditie... in my books it would make sense...
DHagar
12/1/2016 1:43:02 PM
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Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
@batye, thanks. This creates great opportunities for service providers now to distinguish themselves with new service models and pricing - can be great new business opportunity.
mpouraryan
12/1/2016 3:20:46 PM
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Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
First aand foremost, Happy December to all here in TT :)
I also want to send a virtual high five as we're witness to the new banner.
As for services, it is indeed a moving target and the need to be creative in light of what @bayte noted on commoditization is at the heart of it--isn't it?
redesign
I think the new redesign of TT is sharper and brighter. Not that I had very much to do with it but thanks for noticing.
DHagar
12/1/2016 4:39:53 PM
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Re: redesign
@Mike, it demonstrates progress! That's OK - you are Captain of the Ship - so it is under your command - well done!
mpouraryan
12/1/2016 6:48:18 PM
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As @DHagar noted, as our fearless leader, you set the tone sir. On a bit of a selfish note, underscoring the fact that we're not "sleeping on the job" as we try and stay on top of things.
DHagar
12/1/2016 6:54:34 PM
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@mpouraryan, I was not intentionally leaving us out - we are part of the success - but a good leader makes good followers and together the product/services system works!
So we can applaud ourselves as well. But the leader gives us the "space" and "resources" - so I like the design as well.
DHagar
12/1/2016 4:37:50 PM
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Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
@mpouraryan, Happy December as well!
And yes, love our new site! Progress!
Yes, distinguishing value from commodity is the heart! Well said!
mpouraryan
12/1/2016 6:49:16 PM
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Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
Whether the providers have the foresight to realize it and in turn do something about it--there lies the challenge.
batye
12/2/2016 12:29:07 AM
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@mpouraryan challenge it a never ending process... as technology changing our Paradigm...
mpouraryan
12/2/2016 7:48:34 PM
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What I think we all have learnt is indeed it is never ending. The challenge is for us to harness that change in a way that is responsible, accountable and continue to keep the human element in perspective--what I have underscored throughout our deliberations.
batye
12/3/2016 3:48:03 AM
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@mpouraryan could not agree more well said... I think you are right... but this days it a learning process or way of life in IT...
batye
12/2/2016 12:28:06 AM
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Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
@DHagar thank you, for me it almost the same idea as bit coin value... and at the end we gonna see up and down values constantly...
DHagar
12/2/2016 7:34:45 PM
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@batye, interesting point. What is the value component that you envision is analogous with bitcoin? What is the specific value proposition that you are seeing in bit coin and what are your thoughts as to its full potential in the market?
batye
12/3/2016 3:46:05 AM
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@DHagar thank you, for me it like assing value to the V.R. or items in the game... like Second Life :) - how I see it... as human nature is to have items in life... and cyberspace opened new reality... I think the same rule applys to the commodity and bitcoin... we assign value based on the idea of reality... what we think as reality??? as to each his own...
DHagar
12/5/2016 8:41:53 PM
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@batye, quick question. Then from each individual value system (reality or VR), how do you see that creating enough scale to form a market? Do you see bitcoin as becoming a unque value to a limited few or a commodity of value to many?
batye
12/5/2016 10:33:57 PM
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@DHagar how I see it as the open market would assign value to it and it will go up and down like a stock market prices of the shares or options...
DHagar
12/6/2016 8:24:00 PM
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@batye, yes, that is how bitcoin works. What do you see as the market maker that will grow the market itself (ie the number of users for bitcoin transaction)?
batye
12/6/2016 11:26:06 PM
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@DHagar how I see it everything becomes online/cloud/virtial and we live online more than in real life... I think three items: 1. online gaming - like steam/xbox live/ps network/nintendo 2. option to live virtial life ( something like second life but more immersed into VR) 3. 3D sex devices ability to have simulated touch across the network... I would look at this three as a markers for the market... - but I could be wrong...
DHagar
12/7/2016 9:06:53 PM
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@batye, interesting. Final question - do you see it as becoming a major or minor market?
batye
12/7/2016 10:32:11 PM
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@DHagar thank you, at first I would see it more as a black market (underground economy) until it become main stream as a major market...
DHagar
12/9/2016 6:44:27 PM
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@batye,
Major market then or specialized smaller market?
batye
12/9/2016 7:34:13 PM
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@DHagar I see it as... first it gona be for few years - very specialized smaller market and after it getting big as global/major...
DHagar
12/9/2016 8:00:10 PM
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@batye, OK we will watch your predictions come true.
batye
12/9/2016 8:47:59 PM
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@DHagar yes time will tell and we will see if it true or not :)
dlr5288
12/31/2016 1:38:05 PM
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Good points. We really do live in a world now where people are more into their devices than the things around them..
batye
1/1/2017 5:59:57 PM
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@dlr5288 yes, as even youth during date time is more interesting in they devices than in each others :) sad part of centered personal device orient technology...
dlr5288
1/31/2017 2:35:51 PM
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It is so sad! I'd persoanlly rather have face to face conversations than over the phone. Don't get me wrong, I love my phone, but it's just different.
batye
2/1/2017 1:42:53 AM
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@dlr5288 I prefer face to face instead of the skype and phone... but technology changing our way of life and the way we communicate...
dlr5288
2/28/2017 2:05:07 PM
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And I understand people who live far away from one another can't help it, but if I have a chance to meet up with someone I'd might rather do that!
batye
3/1/2017 10:11:10 AM
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@dlr5288 I would say this is what make us humans as it in our nature to feel and touch... it like non verbal communications...
dlr5288
3/30/2017 10:49:35 AM
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Absolutely. I need interaction face to face otherwise all this talk over phones and computers gets boring to me..
batye
4/2/2017 3:06:13 PM
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@dlr5288 I think it build in - in our DNA what makes us humans and technology not always able emulate the feel of touch or beeing present in the same room...
dlr5288
4/27/2017 2:04:41 PM
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True! I think no matter how advanced technology becomes there's just something about face to face conversations that technology can't reproduce.
batye
5/2/2017 3:58:56 AM
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@dlr5288 thanks... for me Robot could be a helper... but to have a friend you need a human... - how I see it :) LMK wyt???
JohnBarnes
12/2/2016 8:18:36 AM
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DHagar,
Or it's a cycle. For a while, customers are happy to buy services and leave the hardware and operation to the vendors. But vendors keep pushing hardware prices down (via demanding better tech and lower prices from their suppliers) and making operations simpler (for obvious internal reasons like fewer failures and lower wages). Eventually the day comes when some customers start to say "Why don't we just do this for ourselves? It's not expensive or difficult."
Suddenly dispersal, on-site,and autonomy are the big words, and the wheel turns again.
DHagar
12/2/2016 7:39:01 PM
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@JohnBarnes, as always - well stated. Yes, it is a cycle - which is what is supposed to keep the systems growing, adapting, and adding value.
Because of the ultimate ROI and costs of independent vs. economies of scale, I am wondering if we won't see a more consistent model now with virtualization - now that the cloud hybrid concept is really taking hold? We have adapted to "connectivity" with the internet, I am wondering if the idea of building your own will still hold the same cycle of appeal in the future or if we will create new alternative equations - based on NaaS VNF, etc.
dcawrey
11/9/2016 11:00:13 AM
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Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
How far we have come. It used to take a lot of work to get new business services up and running. It's great to see these changes come to enterprise provisioning – and it's something customers obviously want.
Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
This sort of news makes me wonder about the service providers that aren't emabracing SDN/NFV. I know they are in the minority, but how do they expect to compete?
I didn't include this in the story, but Isch said Orange also had to figure out how to make money with VNFs.
"How can we make the financial aspect of a VNF work between us, the provider, and the VNF providers themselves? If we go back to the idea of on demand services, as a service provider I want to pay for the service when my customer uses it. I don't want to pay to have a VNF sitting on the shelf. I want registration and deregistration happening between myself, the customer, and the VNF provider. I think that's been one of the challenges we've had to work through: how we get that VNF registered, how do we pay for them on demand and have financial modeling work in such a way that this really works with our vision of on demand networking?"
Ariella
11/9/2016 1:13:38 PM
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< how we get that VNF registered, how do we pay for them on demand and have financial modeling work in such a way that this really works with our vision of on demand networking?"> Indeed, @Mike, those are key questions.
Is this part of the answer to that? ""By offering a VNF as part of a network, it allows the customer to buy a service that's owned and operated by the same entity end-to-end," Isch said.
Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
He was bringing up the monetization side of VNF-based services. Having services on demand is a big change from having stacked boxes that provide "always on" services.
Ariella
11/9/2016 3:25:40 PM
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@MIke I see. It also makes sense to package things to prove end-to-end coverage from one company. Some businesses really do prefer that, feeling that everything integrates well and that they only have to deal with one vendor when they have an issue. As one person I interviewed put it, there only "one throat to choke."
JohnBarnes
11/21/2016 10:38:40 PM
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Mike,
You may have just answered your own question about how non-VNF providers can compete: by offering a fully owned stack of always on boxes. At least in the entertainment world, there's a significant resistance to the "lease" or "subscription" model, especially after the various debacles of big companies yanking contact back, and a whole lively subindustry of software designed to download a copy (whether you're supposed to be able to do that or not) and put it out of reach of the subscription service.
"So that the giants can't shut you off on a whim" is not a bad sales slogan.
freehe
11/26/2016 1:12:31 PM
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@Mike Robuck, good point Mike. Some companies embrace change, some companies lead change, and some companies stand by and watch change happen. Those that embrace change and lead change are the companies that remain competitive.
dlr5288
11/29/2016 11:12:48 PM
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That's so true! I think it's interesting for the companies that just stand by while things are changing all around them how they can just stand still and watch it all. Creatures of habit I guess..
batye
12/1/2016 1:00:24 AM
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@dlr5288 I would say it more of the human nature trying to avoid change keep holding to the old ways...
freehe
11/26/2016 1:11:00 PM
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Re: Orange debuts the NaaS
@dcawrey, yes it is great to see and exciting to see what's next.
Orange Business Services Debuts First NaaS VNF
I agree with I think it's strange to that they are not acknowledging the companies while everything is changing around them. I would be more aware and having plans for this important kind of stuff. So that the companies are well prepared for anything. I believe that it is good for AT&T Inc. and Verizon communication Inc. launched the VNF this year to get everything accomplished.
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