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mhhf1ve
12/19/2016 5:04:39 PM
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Don't fence me in....
> "Nobody buys 'IoT.' They're buying a solution specifically for their vertical."
IoT is a generic buzzword that no one is really buying. Everyone buys products/services that fit their own needs and desired convenience, and IoT is just the umbrella term for the set of solutions that can meet requirements that are connected to the "internet" to make them more useful.
afwriter
12/19/2016 11:11:01 PM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
I was just explaining that to someone over the weekend. We may face a situation where the buzz word gets even more diluted before it gets securley defined.
Ariella
12/21/2016 9:56:05 AM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
@afwriter It's a real problem when people use terms to mean different things. And it gets even worse when some people assume that their view is the definitive one, so they don't have to pay attention to what others seem to have in mind when using the same term.
afwriter
12/21/2016 9:48:42 PM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
@Ariella, it can definitely lead to some sitcom-esque situations which are not quite as funny in the real world.
JohnBarnes
12/21/2016 9:53:57 PM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
Ariella,
I think some words are just born too early -- before the concept itself has formed enough to give them any shape or precision. "Data-driven," "devops," and "big data" strike me as being cases of that, along with "IoT."
One result of that historically is that there are historical curiosities in the terminology; we say "spreadsheet" instead of "cellular programming language" because the latter term, coined by the early developers, embraced several other aspects of high-level programming languages, and "app" has largely replaced "program" (and what used to be "programming" is now several different activities).
At a guess, three or four of the major general applications of IoT will gradually get their own standard names as they become the ones used by large numbers of people, and the term IoT will eventually be a quaint bit of the field's past.
Ariella
12/22/2016 8:47:55 AM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
@JohnBarnes well there's a book opportunity, exploring the rise and fall of tech terms and how words can become obsolete. I'm not sure IoT will disappear, though. It seems that it gets somewhat qualified by those in the industry who point to different needs for its application in public, private, and industrial settings. In fact, I would say that the failure of some companies' attempt to use their own version of the term -- like IoE -- actually can be taken as an indication of IoT's general acceptance in usage. I think it's also a bit less ambiguous than big data. I once spoke with a professor who declared that big data didn't mean what most people thought it did because of the confusion of the data itself and the analytics.
JohnBarnes
12/22/2016 2:45:04 PM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
Ariella,
Well, almost every term out there is better defined than "big data." But I foresee that, for example, constant real time performance monitoring, comprehensive consumer behavior databases, ad hoc functional coordination by smart devices, and information sharing between home appliances -- all of which are currently part of IoT -- will probably eventually hive off under their own banners. (Surely with catchier names than those, though). The question is whether anything will remain for IoT to be the name of.
dcawrey
12/23/2016 1:10:04 PM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
@JohnBarnes I totally believe we'll start seeing industry specialization sooner rather than later.
This happens in other industries as well, where experts develop and end up charging thousands of dollars to companies per hour to come in and fix a very specific problem.
mpouraryan
12/23/2016 11:24:17 PM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
What the discourse between @JohnBarnes & @Ariella reminded me of was the old admonition from Socrates: ">.All I know is I know nothing..". What is clear is that what we seem to embrace today may not be true tomorrow--as such, transformation means, in effect, to be ready to change--remember "Digital", "..SGI", et. al ?
:)
JohnBarnes
12/25/2016 5:14:38 PM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
Mike Pouraryan,
Hey, if we ever find the actual right and bestest truth of all truthiness, they'll automate it and sell it in a box at Office Redbox (or more likely make it available as a subscription download), and it will replace all of us. (Including being able to explain why that's the best thing for everyone). All progress depends on most of us being willing to be wrong in the future ...
mpouraryan
12/26/2016 12:13:11 PM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
One of the lessons of transformation is that one has to be willing & able to admit that they're wrong--if Edison was not wrong for 10K times, we would not be here, right?
Happy Day After Christmas.
JohnBarnes
12/26/2016 12:43:39 PM
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Mpouraryan,
That's one of the most interesting features of the "new statistics" -- the understanding of why "Edison's shotgun" is such an effective strategy in high competition cutting edge research.
mpouraryan
12/26/2016 12:47:39 PM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
Maybe the very embrace of the "new statistics" is at the heart of the very positive transformation we all yearn for :)
JohnBarnes
12/26/2016 12:52:35 PM
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Mpouraryan,
Now there is a positive thought for the new year. No idea whether it's right, of course, but I certainly want it to be!
mpouraryan
12/26/2016 12:56:20 PM
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The need to be positive is paramount--even though frankly it is not easy especially in light of all the challenges--but if such a guy can transform his life despite the challenges he's dealt with, we can do no less:
https://www.fastcompany.com/3066488/lessons-learned/displaced-but-determined-how-one-syrian-software-developer-restarted-his-car?utm_source=mailchimp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=fast-company-daily-newsletter&position=3&partner=newsletter&campaign_date=12262016
mpouraryan
12/28/2016 2:57:30 PM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
As I have been enjoying making the "rounds", I thought the community might enjoy this about this "view" on trends for 2017--whether this is realized is another question--but we are faced with a "new normal' that we're still somehow getting "used to":
What Smart Homes Will—And Won't—Do In 2017
Rosie the Robot won't be moving in quite yet, but virtual assistants and other tech will make life easier and entertain us more than ever.
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JohnBarnes
12/30/2016 11:39:40 PM
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mpouraryan,
Interesting article. It always strikes me that one problem with most smart home concepts is exactly that they're trying to do what the imaginary Rosie the Robot Maid would do, though usually without embodiment in an apron-wearing talking vacuum cleaner. As Heinlein said 60 years ago in The Door into Summer, (the person speaking is the chief engineer of an imaginary household robot company, Hired Girl):
"...they seemed to think there really ought to be strapping peasant girls grateful for a chance to scrub floors for fourteen hours per day and eat table scraps at wages a plumber's helper would scorn. That's why we called the monster Hired Girl—it brought back thoughts of the semi-slave immigrant girl whom Grandma used to bully."
But what if instead of asking what people would like the house to do for them, we asked what a house could do better than imaginary Rosie or Hired Girl? For example, why couldn't a home with an internal heat pump and heat storage system open all the window blinds on the sunny side, pump the heat into storage, and then use it at night to keep you warm? That would only require multiple linked thermometers and controllable blinds. The same controllable blinds could also protect your privacy (or your carpets from light damage) in response to your saying "House, naked protocol" or "House, max views".
Re: Don't fence me in....
Happy New Year @JohnBarnes!!
I think what you've envisioned is in essence what we're all marching towards--but here is the thing, though: We should not "stop" thinking--and of all the things before us, that is frankly a bit terrifying while making sure the evolution of the Smart Home is somewhat "idiot proof. :) :)
Onward to 2017 with all its' possibilities
mhhf1ve
1/4/2017 8:57:26 PM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
> "..instead of asking what people would like the house to do for them, we asked what a house could do better than imaginary Rosie"
It's interesting that the word "robot" comes from Czech, from robota -- "forced labor" -- and that concept seems to influence how we think of and design robots to serve us.
I still want a flying car that can fold into a briefcase and a Rosie robot to clean my house and help raise my kids....
mpouraryan
12/23/2016 8:17:48 PM
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I am assuming as I read your thoughts @afwriter that you're referring to the standards and at least some sort of an implicit agreement on a uniform way to refer to it all. I hope my interpretation is in fact correct.
afwriter
12/24/2016 7:59:14 PM
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Re: Don't fence me in....
@mporaryan Yes, that is what I was trying to get at.
mpouraryan
12/24/2016 10:58:39 PM
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I hope that your dream will be realized for the sake of us all--as the proliferation of such standards does nothing but cause confusion and dismay amongst all.
Merry Christmas to all!!!
clrmoney
12/19/2016 5:14:22 PM
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IOT customers
They said the Internet of things needed more cellular connectivity for customers so they can probably achieve that to keep the customers and what is best for business.
mhhf1ve
12/19/2016 5:28:37 PM
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> "I would love to see a time at some point where all the different networks will be meshing together -- whether it will be satellite, Bluetooth or ZigBee..."
I can't wait for that wireless Utopia to happen, too. But just when you think there's a ubiquitous wireless standard that might unite a lot of devices, a company like Apple introduces another wireless standard that isn't Bluetooth that will probably get more popular and further fracture the wireless standards that already exist.
dcawrey
12/20/2016 6:13:00 PM
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Re: IOT customers
With this "meshing" of networks he's talking about in the article - isn't that what SDN is supposed to be providing as a technology?
I ask because I don't hear enough about how IoT and SDN fit together - although it would seem they compliment each other.
JohnBarnes
12/21/2016 10:23:55 PM
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Re: IOT customers
mhhf1ve,
I wonder if we're at the end of the age of standardization; isn't it increasingly easy to just translate from standard to standard? Emulators keep getting better, format-to-format conversion faster and more flexible, etc. So maybe the real solution is that we'll get the wireless utopia when everything talks to everything -- not because all the gadgets speak one protocol but because each gadget can instantly start speaking any new protocol it encounters.
Call it reverse Babel. You don't need "Esperanto" if you can download fluent Spanish between "buenas" and "dias."
mpouraryan
12/23/2016 10:55:14 PM
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Re: IOT customers
Interoperability is here--and things are becoming so seamless that it is quite powerful. There is still some further intuitive functionality that should be built in no doubt. But I would humbly suggest that we're already there as we look to the new year and seeing even more of a convergence than ever.
JohnBarnes
12/25/2016 5:38:17 PM
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Re: IOT customers
MPouraryan,
I don't think we're quite there yet, but I have to admit I don't know of any specific standard-to-standard translation that doesn't already exist or remains an unsolved problem. Perhaps the most indicative thing of all is that when the last interoperability connection slides into place, there probably won't be any "golden spike" stories in the news about it; the only notice it will get is people asking "didn't that already happen a long time ago?"
Which is to say, whether we're there or not, we've reached a place where we might as well be.
mpouraryan
12/26/2016 12:15:11 PM
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Re: IOT customers
As I reflected upon your thoughts, all I hope is that the value of humans is never ever forgotten in this on-going transformation process--which admittedly is challenging and scary to be witness to. The need to remain hopeful is ever more so now. I hope I am not too naive in my assessment.
JohnBarnes
12/26/2016 12:28:18 PM
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Mpouraryan,
Now there is an interesting question...whether the value(worth) of human beings can be preserved -- better yet extended-- as the adoption of new technology constantly changes their value(price), values(abstract and general priorities, and value(meaning and significance). May the answer turn out to be something that the people who have to live with it like.
mpouraryan
12/26/2016 12:42:39 PM
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Re: IOT customers
What is clear is this: the inherent insecurities that result in the very transformation we all yearn for does have a price--the question is whether we have the courage to embrace it as the "Future of work" continues to be the question of our time. It has been the very nature of these insecurities that led to the transformations we've been witness to around the World..but this proves to be an interesting "food 4 thought"thought:
http://www.ted.com/talks/david_autor_why_are_there_still_so_many_jobs?utm_source=newsletter_weekly_2016-12-24&utm_campaign=newsletter_weekly&utm_medium=email&utm_content=talk_of_the_week_button
mhhf1ve
1/4/2017 8:52:14 PM
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Re: IOT customers
> "isn't it increasingly easy to just translate from standard to standard?"
And then we'll just have protocol droids like C3PO to translate everything for us! Sounds great.
"What I really need is a droid that understands the binary language of moisture vaporators."
mpouraryan
12/23/2016 8:06:41 PM
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Re: IOT customers
As we look to the new year, it seems as if we have to try--right? As long as we make sure progress is at hand on a consistent basis--isn't that in the end why we are in business for? Here is another thing, though, that one has to consider--sometimes the "needs" are outweighed by the realities of whether in fact they are worth the effort. I note this because, for instance, if my local utilities would not have sponsored a smart meter, I would never have forked out $ 200 for the Smart donor for a dubious ROI.
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